They do. And they will. Hopefully there will still be a majority unwilling to settle.

That's when the real negotiations will begin.

Organizing the non contract employees will have no positive effect on our leverage. But you knew that.

If the FAs got a 5% raise to prevent their organizing, how would that affect us?

Hint: FAs are just over 30% of the domestic, non-pilot workforce.

I want my union using it's resources to improve and defend our contract, not help organize the FAs. If the FAs want a union, let them figure out how to get one. I support their right to organize, but I don't think we should be sticking our beeks into their organizing efforts. YMMV.

The problem I've heard post merger is "if we get/ask for that, they will have to give it to the other employees". We never had to deal with that as they were on their own to get what they could. If they have a union, they will have to negotiate that extra .05 cents themselves. It won't matter what we get, only what they can negotiate for themselves.

Let me guess.... it was dalpa operatives offering that explanation as to why something couldn't be done?

Thought so. Funny.... management had no problem giving the non-cons back their vacation..... and then tell us to pound sand. Oh..... and don't the non-cons still have a pension plan?

You, and your expectations have been managed at your loss, and expense.

As long as it is voluntary you can send them your whole paycheck for all I care.

Not sure how you got that from my post. My expectations have not been managed at all.

That's not true at all, at least not in recent history. The non contract employees didn't take a whopping 32.5% pay cut pre BK. The non contract employees didn't have their pensions terminated. The non contract employees didn't get a $2.2B claim in BK. The non contract employees didn't get equity in the merger, the non contract employees didn't get a a 20% pay raise with C2012. The non contract employees got over an 18% pay rate increase in 2015. What did we get, 3% on 1/1/2015, .55% in April and nearly zero after they got a 14.5% pay rate increase, despite promises from some of at least 3%. We've been divorced from the non contract employees for a while. Let's focus on our needs and our contract, the non contract employees are Delta's problem to deal with, not ours.

You don't buy into every word he says. Therefore you have been managed and are a dalpa operative. Pretty easy really.