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Hrkdrivr 04-04-2016 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 2102695)
I had five reroutes on my last trip. It was a 4 day and after the first out and back, not one leg or layover was as originally scheduled. I got back on the original time and with the original captain. It is my understanding that that is legal and not eligible for reroute pay since I was not extended. My trip pay did go up for the added time blocked. Is that all they are responsible for?

No. If they reroute you into a segment that has been in open time more than 14 hours (?), they owe you reroute pay for that/those segments. You need to call ALPA skeds and have them investigate for you.

If I've misstated something, someone will correct me shortly, but that's the gist of what Mike is talking about. I'm just back from a trip and I have 3 trip's worth of reroutes to call them about, including a reroute while I was on a GS. It could get interesting.

Moondog 04-04-2016 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 2102705)
No. If they reroute you into a segment that has been in open time more than 14 hours (?), they owe you reroute pay for that/those segments. You need to call ALPA skeds and have them investigate for you.

If I've misstated something, someone will correct me shortly, but that's the gist of what Mike is talking about. I'm just back from a trip and I have 3 trip's worth of reroutes to call them about, including a reroute while I was on a GS. It could get interesting.

Will do, thanks. I'll advise.

MikeF16 04-04-2016 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 2102695)
I had five reroutes on my last trip. It was a 4 day and after the first out and back, not one leg or layover was as originally scheduled. I got back on the original time and with the original captain. It is my understanding that that is legal and not eligible for reroute pay since I was not extended. My trip pay did go up for the added time blocked. Is that all they are responsible for?

Depends. As a line holder I was on a 4 day where day 2 was supposed to be 4 legs to a 17 hour layover and day 3 was supposed to be 2 legs to a 11 hour layover. On day 2 en route to ATL on leg 3 they rerouted us to a new layover of only 10 hours. Then instead of getting us back to ATL and on our original rotation, they threw in a 4 hour sit and a bonus BHM turn, then back to our original rotation. We were on a block rotation and they paid us the extra block time as part of our normal pay. We were not extended a single minute on day 4. What I complained about was the extra BHM turn that was assigned to us approximately 18 hours before the turn began. That should've been put into open time and run through the gauntlet of options before just assigning it to us as a reroute. For that they gave us pay that was identified as "4F1R" as the rotation number and they gave us 2:03 which was the exact block time of our BHM turn. No reroute pay or assignment pay, just a weird line on the monthly time data. Still not sure if we were paid properly but I think I've gotten as far as my grumbling will get me.

capncrunch 04-04-2016 07:21 AM

I looked it up in the contract and it's covered in section 23.S.11.

11. A reserve pilot who flies on an X-day due to an IA, GS, or reroute will be given nine hours free of duty upon his release at the completion of his rotation.
a. b.
His X-day(s) will begin immediately following such nine-hour period and will continue until he has received a period of 24 hours free of duty for each interrupted and remaining X-day in his scheduled X-day block.
If the remaining days in the bid period are insufficient to contain the X-day(s), the pilot will be granted an additional day(s) off under Section 23 S. 16.

In summary: A reserve pilot that is flown into X days gets his payback day as block in +9.5 hours.

asacimesp 04-04-2016 08:20 AM

So scheduling can take a whole day and all we get is 9.5hrs. Ridiculous.

capncrunch 04-04-2016 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by asacimesp (Post 2102797)
So scheduling can take a whole day and all we get is 9.5hrs. Ridiculous.

Block in plus 9.5.

For instance, I got in today at 11am. My reserve payback day will be 8pm start. Meaning the earlies they can assign anything is 10 hours after that. Basically 8p on the payback day is my new midnight.

forgot to bid 04-04-2016 01:43 PM

They went crazy this weekend on ATL320B, constant IA calls. I noticed the trip remarks on most of them said last minute marketing change.

notEnuf 04-04-2016 01:56 PM

Call ALPA anytime you are rerouted. The reroute grievances have paid out well.

capncrunch 04-04-2016 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2103030)
Call ALPA anytime you are rerouted. The reroute grievances have paid out well.

I know I should know this but what's their number?

capncrunch 04-04-2016 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2103023)
They went crazy this weekend on ATL320B, constant IA calls. I noticed the trip remarks on most of them said last minute marketing change.

Maybe that was marketing picking up some RJ flying? Whatever it was, it cost the company dearly.


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