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WhatNow 04-05-2016 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 2103848)
I agree. But I don't think a single pilot has not been paid for refusing an extension. All intimidation.

I don't quite think that asking the reason you are refusing a extension is intimidation. All I have ever had is a simple phone call asking why. Once a follow up from the CP's office. Paid every time.

Moondog 04-05-2016 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 2103730)
On a three day now. 5 reroutes so far. Non a single leg on the original rotation. 1st leg cnx due to EWR fire. After that its been a constant cluster. We are imploding....

ATL717B

File the reroute grievance!! Even if you don't understand it, file it.

trustbutverify 04-05-2016 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2103902)
I don't quite think that asking the reason you are refusing a extension is intimidation. All I have ever had is a simple phone call asking why. Once a follow up from the CP's office. Paid every time.

Really. I'm going to accept the assumption that the people working for the "company" are smart, intelligent people. What reasons other than fatigue or reaching a point where one is unfit for duty would there be for not extending a 12+ hour duty day?

MikeF16 04-05-2016 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2103785)
"4F1" is the contractual section that the company applied to your rotation to determine your pay (4= the Min Pay and Credit Guarantee section, F = Rotation Guarantee. You were actually under 4.F.1.b.2), with the "R" being a code for the reroute.

that is some serious knowledge.

FL370esq 04-05-2016 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 2103965)
that is some serious knowledge.

Ehhhh.....just a marginal ability to read the PWA.

Justdoinmyjob 04-06-2016 03:18 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2104040)
Ehhhh.....just a marginal ability to read the PWA.

Most guys don't even do that. They just assume it says something because they were told it does by someone else. Same with TAs, memos, and bulletins.

badflaps 04-06-2016 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 2104123)
Most guys don't even do that. They just assume it says something because they were told it does by someone else. Same with TAs, memos, and bulletins.

"We didn't think they'd do that".........

300SMK 04-06-2016 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2104040)
Ehhhh.....just a marginal ability to read the PWA.

It's actually printed somewhere?

Dirtdiver 04-06-2016 08:10 AM

The problem with reading the contract is that you can find a paragraph describing exactly your situation, but it turns out to have been superseded by a LOA/MOU, or an exception, etc. Agree, there's a lot of bad gouge spouted by the sea lawyers. It's complicated.

FL370esq 04-06-2016 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 2104271)
The problem with reading the contract is that you can find a paragraph describing exactly your situation, but it turns out to have been superseded by a LOA/MOU, or an exception, etc. Agree, there's a lot of bad gouge spouted by the sea lawyers. It's complicated.

Even with a LOA/MOU at least one can find a written reference. It is the "past practices" or "accepted interpretation" which aren't written that torque me, especially when the language of the PWA is unambiguous.


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