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Originally Posted by WhatNow
(Post 2103902)
I don't quite think that asking the reason you are refusing a extension is intimidation. All I have ever had is a simple phone call asking why. Once a follow up from the CP's office. Paid every time.
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 2104341)
In my opinion, having the company and the chief pilot questioning you is intimidation.
And what, exactly, are you afraid of? |
Originally Posted by FL370esq
(Post 2103785)
"4F1" is the contractual section that the company applied to your rotation to determine your pay (4= the Min Pay and Credit Guarantee section, F = Rotation Guarantee. You were actually under 4.F.1.b.2), with the "R" being a code for the reroute.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Essential
(Post 2104423)
And what, exactly, are you afraid of?
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Can I just cite the research that advised against the extension? Here's my statement:
Legal or not researchers advised against providing an extension option because of the proven degradation of performance beyond 12 hours. I am acting in the interest of safety. The ability to self evaluate also degrades beyond 12 hours. |
Food for thought (not just trolls)
In a variety of studies, fatigued individuals consistently underreported how tired they really were, as measured by physiologic parameters. A tired individual truly does not realize the extent of actual impairment. No degree of experience, motivation, medication, coffee, or will power can overcome fatigue. Direct quote from the FAA. |
Originally Posted by Moondog
(Post 2104559)
I had a 4F1R once and couldn't find what the R meant. I found it in my PAS statement for the month and the R meant the rotation was removed for company connivence or some such wording, not reroute.
Cheers.... |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 2104721)
Food for thought (not just trolls)
In a variety of studies, fatigued individuals consistently underreported how tired they really were, as measured by physiologic parameters. A tired individual truly does not realize the extent of actual impairment. No degree of experience, motivation, medication, coffee, or will power can overcome fatigue. Direct quote from the FAA. We're being asked to decide right now how we think we would feel 10 hours from now (I'm referring to international). Just happened to me last week. Add on top of that 117 telling me I'm acclimated to a time zone 9 zones from reality just because I had a 30 hour layover. And the implied threat of docking your pay during the inquisition concerning the refusal of an extension is intimidation, whether it affects your decision or not. The intent is to intimidate you. We should have to request the extension, rather than have to jump through all the hoops to refuse it. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 2102566)
Prepare for this to become more and more common as the shortage crunch continues.
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
(Post 2104899)
Yup...that was probably the case. But MikeF16 had added legs, not a removal so it just indicated the reroute to his rotation.
Cheers.... |
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