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capncrunch 04-06-2016 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2103902)
I don't quite think that asking the reason you are refusing a extension is intimidation. All I have ever had is a simple phone call asking why. Once a follow up from the CP's office. Paid every time.

In my opinion, having the company and the chief pilot questioning you is intimidation.

Chuck Essential 04-06-2016 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 2104341)
In my opinion, having the company and the chief pilot questioning you is intimidation.



And what, exactly, are you afraid of?

Moondog 04-06-2016 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2103785)
"4F1" is the contractual section that the company applied to your rotation to determine your pay (4= the Min Pay and Credit Guarantee section, F = Rotation Guarantee. You were actually under 4.F.1.b.2), with the "R" being a code for the reroute.

I had a 4F1R once and couldn't find what the R meant. I found it in my PAS statement for the month and the R meant the rotation was removed for company connivence or some such wording, not reroute.

capncrunch 04-06-2016 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Chuck Essential (Post 2104423)
And what, exactly, are you afraid of?

Just so you know, I don't feed trolls.

notEnuf 04-06-2016 04:43 PM

Can I just cite the research that advised against the extension? Here's my statement:

Legal or not researchers advised against providing an extension option because of the proven degradation of performance beyond 12 hours. I am acting in the interest of safety. The ability to self evaluate also degrades beyond 12 hours.

notEnuf 04-06-2016 06:16 PM

Food for thought (not just trolls)

In a variety of studies, fatigued individuals consistently underreported how tired they really were, as measured by physiologic parameters. A tired individual truly does not realize the extent of actual impairment. No degree of experience, motivation, medication, coffee, or will power can overcome fatigue.

Direct quote from the FAA.

FL370esq 04-06-2016 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 2104559)
I had a 4F1R once and couldn't find what the R meant. I found it in my PAS statement for the month and the R meant the rotation was removed for company connivence or some such wording, not reroute.

Yup...that was probably the case. But MikeF16 had added legs, not a removal so it just indicated the reroute to his rotation.

Cheers....

Dirtdiver 04-07-2016 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2104721)
Food for thought (not just trolls)

In a variety of studies, fatigued individuals consistently underreported how tired they really were, as measured by physiologic parameters. A tired individual truly does not realize the extent of actual impairment. No degree of experience, motivation, medication, coffee, or will power can overcome fatigue.

Direct quote from the FAA.

It's the same as letting the guy drinking decide if he's drunk too much to drive.

We're being asked to decide right now how we think we would feel 10 hours from now (I'm referring to international). Just happened to me last week. Add on top of that 117 telling me I'm acclimated to a time zone 9 zones from reality just because I had a 30 hour layover.

And the implied threat of docking your pay during the inquisition concerning the refusal of an extension is intimidation, whether it affects your decision or not. The intent is to intimidate you.

We should have to request the extension, rather than have to jump through all the hoops to refuse it.

elmetal 04-07-2016 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 2102566)
Prepare for this to become more and more common as the shortage crunch continues.

shortage crunch? I can point you to at least 3800 guys who would be in class tomorrow who already fly delta passengers (DL Connect). But apparently aren't "Delta Material"

Moondog 04-07-2016 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2104899)
Yup...that was probably the case. But MikeF16 had added legs, not a removal so it just indicated the reroute to his rotation.

Cheers....

Well they need to make all this easier for normal people to figure out!! Thanks for the correction, it all gives me a headache.


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