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04-07-2016 | 09:03 AM
#61
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Even if they all are "Delta Material," Delta can't train them quickly enough to alleviate the current shortages, compounded by future retirements. We are seriously short in several categories.
04-07-2016 | 10:11 AM
#62
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Afraid of trolls?
Why would anyone feel intimidated when you make a decision based on the FAR?
You should report for work rested to complete the entire FDP, including an extension. You report fit for duty. Period.
If at any time during that FDP, including an extension, you determine that you are not fit for duty, you must remove yourself and report that you are unfit for duty to your carrier. Period.
Your decision to accept an extension comes at the time that the extension is needed, not when you report for duty. Sometimes you are fit for duty to complete an extension and sometimes you are not. For that matter, sometimes you are unable to complete the scheduled FDP because you become unfit for duty due to circumstances that occur during the FDP.
Your call ends your FDP. You need to be put into rest so that you will be able to report fit for duty for your next FDP.
Any series of questions from anyone should not change the fact that you have determined that you are/were unfit for duty at that point in the FDP.
The CEO could call to ask you and it doesn’t change the fact that you determined you were unfit for duty, thus your FDP was ended.
You should not be fearful of making a decision regarding whether you are fit for duty.
Why would anyone feel intimidated when you make a decision based on the FAR?
You should report for work rested to complete the entire FDP, including an extension. You report fit for duty. Period.
If at any time during that FDP, including an extension, you determine that you are not fit for duty, you must remove yourself and report that you are unfit for duty to your carrier. Period.
Your decision to accept an extension comes at the time that the extension is needed, not when you report for duty. Sometimes you are fit for duty to complete an extension and sometimes you are not. For that matter, sometimes you are unable to complete the scheduled FDP because you become unfit for duty due to circumstances that occur during the FDP.
Your call ends your FDP. You need to be put into rest so that you will be able to report fit for duty for your next FDP.
Any series of questions from anyone should not change the fact that you have determined that you are/were unfit for duty at that point in the FDP.
The CEO could call to ask you and it doesn’t change the fact that you determined you were unfit for duty, thus your FDP was ended.
You should not be fearful of making a decision regarding whether you are fit for duty.
04-07-2016 | 10:24 AM
#63
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From: Kickin’ Back
Afraid of trolls?
Why would anyone feel intimidated when you make a decision based on the FAR?
You should report for work rested to complete the entire FDP, including an extension. You report fit for duty. Period.
If at any time during that FDP, including an extension, you determine that you are not fit for duty, you must remove yourself and report that you are unfit for duty to your carrier. Period.
Your decision to accept an extension comes at the time that the extension is needed, not when you report for duty. Sometimes you are fit for duty to complete an extension and sometimes you are not. For that matter, sometimes you are unable to complete the scheduled FDP because you become unfit for duty due to circumstances that occur during the FDP.
Your call ends your FDP. You need to be put into rest so that you will be able to report fit for duty for your next FDP.
Any series of questions from anyone should not change the fact that you have determined that you are/were unfit for duty at that point in the FDP.
The CEO could call to ask you and it doesn’t change the fact that you determined you were unfit for duty, thus your FDP was ended.
You should not be fearful of making a decision regarding whether you are fit for duty.
Why would anyone feel intimidated when you make a decision based on the FAR?
You should report for work rested to complete the entire FDP, including an extension. You report fit for duty. Period.
If at any time during that FDP, including an extension, you determine that you are not fit for duty, you must remove yourself and report that you are unfit for duty to your carrier. Period.
Your decision to accept an extension comes at the time that the extension is needed, not when you report for duty. Sometimes you are fit for duty to complete an extension and sometimes you are not. For that matter, sometimes you are unable to complete the scheduled FDP because you become unfit for duty due to circumstances that occur during the FDP.
Your call ends your FDP. You need to be put into rest so that you will be able to report fit for duty for your next FDP.
Any series of questions from anyone should not change the fact that you have determined that you are/were unfit for duty at that point in the FDP.
The CEO could call to ask you and it doesn’t change the fact that you determined you were unfit for duty, thus your FDP was ended.
You should not be fearful of making a decision regarding whether you are fit for duty.
You cannot have it both ways.
Denny
04-07-2016 | 11:04 AM
#64
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You are contradicting yourself in this post. First you say "You should report for work rested to complete the entire FDP, including an extension. You report fit for duty. Period." Then you say "Your decision to accept an extension comes at the time that the extension is needed, not when you report for duty. Sometimes you are fit for duty to complete an extension and sometimes you are not. For that matter, sometimes you are unable to complete the scheduled FDP because you become unfit for duty due to circumstances that occur during the FDP."
You cannot have it both ways.
Denny
You cannot have it both ways.
Denny
Not having it both ways, Denny, and not intended to be confusing or contradictory. Allow me to try again:
At report, a pilot is either fit for duty or not. If not, the pilot should not begin the FDP.
Don’t let the “. . . including an extension.” cloud the fit for duty question at the beginning of a FDP. The extension does not become an issue until the point in time during the FDP that the extension is needed, and the determination of fit for duty for that extension would also occur at that time.
Once a FDP begins, circumstances could occur that change a pilot’s assessment as to whether one is fit for duty or not. Example, a pilot begins a FDP that is scheduled for five legs. After leg two, the pilot is notified of a member in his/her family being involved in a serious automobile accident. Such an occurrence, in the midst of an operating FDP, could render a pilot unfit for duty.
The point being, “fit for duty” is a continuous assessment on the part of the pilot throughout the FDP, whether operating during an extension or not.
Bottom line: You should not be fearful of making a decision regarding whether you are fit for duty.
04-07-2016 | 12:21 PM
#67
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From: Sitting SC at the Five Towns
According to FAA interpretations, the decision to extend should be made at the time the extension is required -- not 12 hours prior. It's supposed to be be an affirmation in real time. I'm not sure how anyone signed off on this "fail operational" extension.
I'm on my phone and don't not have access to the interpretations, but they're googleable.
I'm on my phone and don't not have access to the interpretations, but they're googleable.
04-07-2016 | 12:43 PM
#68
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From: 767A (Ret)
Food for thought (not just trolls)
In a variety of studies, fatigued individuals consistently underreported how tired they really were, as measured by physiologic parameters. A tired individual truly does not realize the extent of actual impairment. No degree of experience, motivation, medication, coffee, or will power can overcome fatigue.
Direct quote from the FAA.
In a variety of studies, fatigued individuals consistently underreported how tired they really were, as measured by physiologic parameters. A tired individual truly does not realize the extent of actual impairment. No degree of experience, motivation, medication, coffee, or will power can overcome fatigue.
Direct quote from the FAA.
04-07-2016 | 01:13 PM
#69
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Announced today 2016 total hiring numbers are being increased by 220 pilots. Narrow body utilization rates have been increased.
04-07-2016 | 01:20 PM
#70
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From: Kickin’ Back
Not having it both ways, Denny, and not intended to be confusing or contradictory. Allow me to try again:
At report, a pilot is either fit for duty or not. If not, the pilot should not begin the FDP.
I agree with this but it is NOT what you said.
Don’t let the “. . . including an extension.” cloud the fit for duty question at the beginning of a FDP. The extension does not become an issue until the point in time during the FDP that the extension is needed, and the determination of fit for duty for that extension would also occur at that time.
Agreed, but your original statement said one should sign in and be fit for duty AND the extension.
Once a FDP begins, circumstances could occur that change a pilot’s assessment as to whether one is fit for duty or not. Example, a pilot begins a FDP that is scheduled for five legs. After leg two, the pilot is notified of a member in his/her family being involved in a serious automobile accident. Such an occurrence, in the midst of an operating FDP, could render a pilot unfit for duty.
The point being, “fit for duty” is a continuous assessment on the part of the pilot throughout the FDP, whether operating during an extension or not.
Bottom line: You should not be fearful of making a decision regarding whether you are fit for duty.
At report, a pilot is either fit for duty or not. If not, the pilot should not begin the FDP.
I agree with this but it is NOT what you said.
Don’t let the “. . . including an extension.” cloud the fit for duty question at the beginning of a FDP. The extension does not become an issue until the point in time during the FDP that the extension is needed, and the determination of fit for duty for that extension would also occur at that time.
Agreed, but your original statement said one should sign in and be fit for duty AND the extension.
Once a FDP begins, circumstances could occur that change a pilot’s assessment as to whether one is fit for duty or not. Example, a pilot begins a FDP that is scheduled for five legs. After leg two, the pilot is notified of a member in his/her family being involved in a serious automobile accident. Such an occurrence, in the midst of an operating FDP, could render a pilot unfit for duty.
The point being, “fit for duty” is a continuous assessment on the part of the pilot throughout the FDP, whether operating during an extension or not.
Bottom line: You should not be fearful of making a decision regarding whether you are fit for duty.
Denny
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