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scambo1 04-28-2016 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by FLY6584 (Post 2118508)
To be honest I really actually don't care about flying a widebody internationally. I got my fix of that flying MD-11's in the ACMI cargo world. For me it's purely about pay and the 9 day schedule I hear about.

I also think United is going to have the most problems down the road with the shortage of pilots and regionals going out of business. I think Delta is smart buying smaller jets and making sure they don't have to rely on regionals. And I think American is smart focusing so much on honoring their flows so people will want to fly for the regionals that support their flying. What is United doing to protect their short haul domestic flying?

The 9 day month doesnt last forever. It comes and goes. That said, intl fo lineholder is almost always 12 days or less. Weekends off are doable regardless. But, some trips are longer than a week.

scambo1 04-28-2016 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by Molon Labe (Post 2118520)
Nice way to sugar coat the turd...the LAST 747 s will go away 6 months after the first A350 s arrive, and even then the A350 is a poor substitute foe a 777 or worse yet a 747.

Youre right, we need 777-300s.

pilotc90a 04-28-2016 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2118515)
I just checked ATL 765B. Weekends off and lineholder = about 7400/12000. This is roughly 61% on the list. To get from 100% to 61% could take 6-7 years.

This is all a rough approximation.

Who knows what future growth will be like, past results will not be indicative of our future. However, it has taken my 10 years to go from 5100 to 10200 on our current list (No, I did not reverse those two). to go as a new hire now 13,000-7400 = about 5600 numbers. If I apply 5600 retirements to my current calculator it says I should be 5400 numbers more senior in the year 2024. Not kidding. In an effort for full disclosure, for me to get to approximately #7600 from where I am now, it will be 2021. Five more years, for a grand total of 15 years to get to mid seniority.

Molon Labe 04-28-2016 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by pilotc90a (Post 2118521)
I would like someone to explain how you fly the same number of block hours when you go from 9 to 7 airframes...

Considering there were 16 airframes and now 9, and for a peak month or two in the summer we fly them hard and then the powers that be say"block hours are up for the summer!" yes, there is some thing rotten in Denmark, or at least Georgia. Feels again like warm yellow rain running down our backs while we are being told that it is raining.

WhatNow 04-28-2016 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by pilotc90a (Post 2118521)
I would like someone to explain how you fly the same number of block hours when you go from 9 to 7 airframes...

Easy, you were under utilizing the airframes. At the road shows flight ops was just a bit upset about the 2017 747 block hour plan. You might have noticed they awarded new bids on the 747 and there may be more to come. They are hurting with only 1 sim.

dragon 04-28-2016 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by FLY6584 (Post 2118499)
Subscribed. I'm trying to decide if I'm better off staying at Southwest and driving to work or leaving for Delta and commuting for the next 34 years of my life. Moving to a Delta base is not an option.

How long would it take a new hire today to hold the right seat of a wide body and have weekends/most holidays off at Delta? Widebody pay and days off look nice, but weekends and holidays off are more important to me so I'm curious with the lack of WB growth at Delta how long would it take a new hire to see the right and left seat of a WB with a good schedule?

If, as you said in another post, you don't want to fly international nor move to a Delta base, why on earth would you leave SWA? You lose seniority to become a commuter for what will effectively become a domestic only airline feeding the great Skyteam (is that kinda like the SkyNet from Terminator?).

SWA has good pay rates now, with an amendable contract and one can only hope that the new contract is better. Right now, I'm having a hard time telling anyone who wants to fly international, that Delta is the best airline. United has a lot of WB airframes and has a better growth potential from the retirement perspective (or so I've been told).

The sky is not falling but you might want to ask why we're losing new hires.

Justdoinmyjob 04-28-2016 12:18 PM

Every legacy is losing new hires as they laterally move between airlines.

Aviatorr 04-28-2016 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by FLY6584 (Post 2118508)
To be honest I really actually don't care about flying a widebody internationally. I got my fix of that flying MD-11's in the ACMI cargo world. For me it's purely about pay and the 9 day schedule I hear about.

I also think United is going to have the most problems down the road with the shortage of pilots and regionals going out of business. I think Delta is smart buying smaller jets and making sure they don't have to rely on regionals. And I think American is smart focusing so much on honoring their flows so people will want to fly for the regionals that support their flying. What is United doing to protect their short haul domestic flying?

Well we just orders 65 737-700 to cover the RJ feed and are buying every used 319 we can find!

WhatNow 04-28-2016 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 2118601)
If, as you said in another post, you don't want to fly international nor move to a Delta base, why on earth would you leave SWA? You lose seniority to become a commuter for what will effectively become a domestic only airline feeding the great Skyteam (is that kinda like the SkyNet from Terminator?).

SWA has good pay rates now, with an amendable contract and one can only hope that the new contract is better. Right now, I'm having a hard time telling anyone who wants to fly international, that Delta is the best airline. United has a lot of WB airframes and has a better growth potential from the retirement perspective (or so I've been told).

The sky is not falling but you might want to ask why we're losing new hires.

I think we have had 3 leave so far this year.

pilotc90a 04-28-2016 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2118579)
Easy, you were under utilizing the air frames. At the road shows flight ops was just a bit upset about the 2017 747 block hour plan. You might have noticed they awarded new bids on the 747 and there may be more to come. They are hurting with only 1 sim.

I did notice the last AE, one guy does not make a training bonanza. He was just a back fill for Captains that bid off due to sitting reserve for the first time in a 35 year career!

As far as block hour utilization rates, its hard to fly a jet 12 hours to NRT, turn it, and fly 10.5 hours back and get much more out of it. Winter is where the block hours got squirrely, three air frames to fly the Pacific.

We are hurting so badly with one sim, they are leasing our spare time to United! It does limit us to two crews per month though (4 pilots)


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