Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2119094)

That is a good treatise and summation Buck. Your last statement is the lynch pin though. How do you accomplish that? Liquidated damages? A penalty for non-compliance. Good luck getting those kinds of things into the contract. I agree with what you are saying, but I would think they would be extremely difficult to pull off.

Originally Posted by spctrpilot (Post 2119422)

Does all the talk of losing wide body seats indicate we may need to look at a new compensation model? It has been brought up before but maybe now is a good time to look again at seniority based pay. Now only 10-15 percent of the list will make it to the top. With seniority based pay it wouldn't matter what airplanes the company bought. It would take some complicated formulas to get started but allow for a more stable work force in the end. Just throwing it out there.

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2119432)

The catch is the fleet plan has us gaining widebody seats and the trend worldwide will be upguaging. The limited amount of concrete and the almost impossibility of building new runways in many countries virtually assures it. We just announced the first replacement aircraft for the mad dog and they are larger. In 4 years when we start retiring 7ers the replacement will more then likely be 330 NEO's.

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2119432)

The catch is the fleet plan has us gaining widebody seats and the trend worldwide will be upguaging. The limited amount of concrete and the almost impossibility of building new runways in many countries virtually assures it. We just announced the first replacement aircraft for the mad dog and they are larger. In 4 years when we start retiring 7ers the replacement will more then likely be 330 NEO's.

Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2119530)

I can dismantle this paragraph in 10 seconds.

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2118489)

Delta is still the largest airline in terms of flights across the Atlantic. Block hours to Europe are very close to the peak in the mid 2000's. The sky is not falling.

Originally Posted by FLY6584 (Post 2118499)

Subscribed. I'm trying to decide if I'm better off staying at Southwest and driving to work or leaving for Delta and commuting for the next 34 years of my life. Moving to a Delta base is not an option.

How long would it take a new hire today to hold the right seat of a wide body and have weekends/most holidays off at Delta? Widebody pay and days off look nice, but weekends and holidays off are more important to me so I'm curious with the lack of WB growth at Delta how long would it take a new hire to see the right and left seat of a WB with a good schedule?

Originally Posted by spctrpilot (Post 2119422)

Does all the talk of losing wide body seats indicate we may need to look at a new compensation model? It has been brought up before but maybe now is a good time to look again at seniority based pay. Now only 10-15 percent of the list will make it to the top. With seniority based pay it wouldn't matter what airplanes the company bought.

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2119432)

The catch is the fleet plan has us gaining widebody seats and the trend worldwide will be upguaging.

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2118920)

We started 1196 new hires from 1 Jan 15 to 24 Mar 16. 1180 remain on the 1 APR 16 seniority list. Attrition this year is 3 not 30 and only 16 for the last 15 months. The 16 number includes terminations.