You are stuck with the mentality that one component of the PWA always comes at the expense of another section and demographic.

Expunging that metric is what the rejection of the failed Ta was in large part all about.

Personally I don't think management has gotten the memo.... which is why imho its going to go to or the brink of self help to 'fix this'.

I suppose your going to tell me you were against POS '2015 TA as well...👍

And what does that have to do with my post?

So then we are gonna get everything we want with no compromise? That is fallacious thinking.

The objective and definition of getting all we want is an individual determination.

Otoh.... seems to me, for a lot of this group, that evaluative process isn't even going to begin absent ending this pilot groups role as a 30 year 24/7 booty call for management.

Calling guys who take advantage of the contract "Triple dippers" does not help. It is very easy for the company to get us fighting amongst ourselves - please don't help them.

These Pilots are exercising their seniority rights. What about Pilots who get a training bypass for the last 18 months of their career - should that be for sale/trade because they are being paid for equipment they are not flying? I am sure the company would love to change that item.

I could go on for quite a while picking individual points of our contract that only benefit a small % of our Pilots at any given time - the point is over time a large % of our pilots have the option of taking advantage of most of our PWA. Many may not exercise portions of our PWA but it is available for all.

So lets not help management by referring to Pilots exercising our PWA in a negative light.

Scoop

Finally (space)

You are entertained with the reality we democratically ratify our CBA?

We also do not ratify them via the same process.

Interesting argument except that for a certain percentage of the group time is running out. Many members of that same group are also deadzoners that will not be made whole no matter what we get. As each day goes by, they are further and further behind. So the guys newly hired, and those yet to be hired are going to reap the benefits of our steadfastedness while many of us are under the wheels of the bus. Maybe the tradition of captains buying beers needs to change.

Time value of money. (Sorry, I gotta go with Warren Buffet on that one and not some faceless keyboard warrior.) Again, I am not advocating a bad deal nor do I have any agenda. (I am really getting tired of saying that but some don't seem to get that I am just expressing an opinion). The longer we go without a pay increase the further behind we are.

Not sure what you are saying here.