Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 2135653)

100% retro.

And put that in the next pwa so you don't even have to think about it.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2135528)

Everyone has their own push button issues. Off the top of my head I don't have any that are an automatic unequivocal no without seeing the rest of the package and how it is affected. To come out with blanket statements of "If X happens, I'm voting no" is immature. I am sure I will get tons of flack for that but I am a big boy and I can handle it. My point is that we have a rapidly changing pilot dempgraphic in terms of age. So here is an example for you: If we vote to provide newhires with hotel rooms, I am voting no because it takes money away from my pay increase. I do not GAS about that. See how stupid these things are getting?

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2135570)

Interesting argument except that for a certain percentage of the group time is running out. Many members of that same group are also deadzoners that will not be made whole no matter what we get. As each day goes by, they are further and further behind. So the guys newly hired, and those yet to be hired are going to reap the benefits of our steadfastedness while many of us are under the wheels of the bus. Maybe the tradition of captains buying beers needs to change.

Time value of money. (Sorry, I gotta go with Warren Buffet on that one and not some faceless keyboard warrior.) Again, I am not advocating a bad deal nor do I have any agenda. (I am really getting tired of saying that but some don't seem to get that I am just expressing an opinion). The longer we go without a pay increase the further behind we are.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2135656)

You can't even say if TA15 is brought back you'd be a definite no?

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2135661)

Its called restoring the profession. A selfless "sacrifice" was made by 66% of this group, the fact that you are in the minority did not change. Sorry for your loss but we are correcting a wrong here. Many of us spent the last decade plus further behind.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2135663)

I have a 1991 copy of the ALPA magazine tht has the title "Restoring the Profession" It seems that is all we ever do. I keep it just for the chuckle.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2135570)

Interesting argument except that for a certain percentage of the group time is running out. Many members of that same group are also deadzoners that will not be made whole no matter what we get. As each day goes by, they are further and further behind. So the guys newly hired, and those yet to be hired are going to reap the benefits of our steadfastedness while many of us are under the wheels of the bus. Maybe the tradition of captains buying beers needs to change.

Time value of money. (Sorry, I gotta go with Warren Buffet on that one and not some faceless keyboard warrior.) Again, I am not advocating a bad deal nor do I have any agenda. (I am really getting tired of saying that but some don't seem to get that I am just expressing an opinion). The longer we go without a pay increase the further behind we are.

Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 2135674)

I'll trade my 15 years of regional flying for your deadzone any day. Remember pilots just starting at Delta didn't have it a peachy life either.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2135536)

Yep. Without a doubt. So you can mail it in right now because there will be some sort of what will be consodered 'concession' by someone. I'll take that to Vegas and put my entire net worth on it.