Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2136080)

So now we have retro pay in addition to the huge profit sharing check we are gonna get for the next couple of years. I'll hang up and listen. Should be interesting.

Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 2136085)

Realistically the company is not going to go along with full retro pay if this ends up taking more than another 60-90 days. It's just too much for them to swallow.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2136080)

So let's do some cocktail napkin math. In public. If we negotiate a contract that will take effect on Jan 1 2017 with a 20% pay increase. Too low, I know. But if that is the case, do you honestly believe that management will write a check for an additional 20% over what we made in 2016? What do you think is their limit on this? I have no idea, but as time goes on that number will be getting smaller and smaller. So I think it depends on how much they are willing to pay us going forward but adding in the retro pay dilutes that amount. So now we have retro pay in addition to the huge profit sharing check we are gonna get for the next couple of years. I'll hang up and listen. Should be interesting.

Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2136109)

Your expectations are being managed by whom? You should ask Ed.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2136108)

Then it behooves them to get a deal done sooner, rather than later.

Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 2136085)

Realistically the company is not going to go along with full retro pay if this ends up taking more than another 60-90 days. It's just too much for them to swallow. Go out there and find me a pilot contract with full retro pay signed in the past 10 years off of a contract that was amendable for 1+ years.

What your NC should focus on is getting a quality TA that doesn't sacrifice scope or quality of life for a little extra $$$ and one that includes yearly raises beyond the next amendable date so that the next time negotiations come up you'll keep getting yearly raises. Something like a yearly COLA+1% should do the trick.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2136113)

How do you figure?

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2136130)

I was told years ago scheduled raises past the ammendable date are not legal per the RLA. Full retro is absolutely possible. It will just come down to how much of a percentage the initial raise is. Full retro is important. It gets the guys who retired during the process paid. Signing bonuses are a scam that never should have been allowed.

Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 2136085)

Realistically the company is not going to go along with full retro pay if this ends up taking more than another 60-90 days. It's just too much for them to swallow. Go out there and find me a pilot contract with full retro pay signed in the past 10 years off of a contract that was amendable for 1+ years.

What your NC should focus on is getting a quality TA that doesn't sacrifice scope or quality of life for a little extra $$$ and one that includes yearly raises beyond the next amendable date so that the next time negotiations come up you'll keep getting yearly raises. Something like a yearly COLA+1% should do the trick.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2136243)

I think you are on the right track but your 60-90 day timeline is way too short. I see 100% out to 1 year as an easy slam dunk. After that it gets harder, but I believe it was about 18 months in C2000.

Scoop