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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 2139771)
We need more of you in the pilot group.
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Originally Posted by DALFA
(Post 2139287)
If I may...i'd like to point out a few things as a semi-outsider. Part of Delta yes, just not in flight ops.
1. Why do guys keep picking up white slips especially now during Section 6 negotiations? Over the past 30 days i've flown with 2 Captains that said they picked up a while slip. This should not even be an option at this point. 2. Why is it that 60-70% of FOs I fly with have the orange lanyard yet only maybe 25% of Captains have it on? Not a statistical survey...based mostly on my trips over the past 2-3 months. If you can even wear an orange lanyard then why would you expect to get certain results out of negotiations? 3. At what point do you guys start flying the contract? Pilots are still going over contractual duty day limits, going outside and helping the ramp, not writing things up downline so that the plane doesn't get stuck in an outstation etc. This in my opinion is where you guys have real leverage. There's so many things you do, that you don't have to, to keep the operation going that if you just stopped doing it would make Delta management have an "oh fu**" moment. The NMB won't let you strike, it's out of the question. This is your leverage... |
Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 2139789)
She's absolutely right. We will never ever be released for self help. When was the last time the NMB released anybody? We have to use our leverage now that "Summer is here".
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Unless i'm mistaken...the last pilot group to go on strike was the Spirit pilots who went on strike in June of 2010. Their contract became amendable in January of 2007. So 42 months after the amendable date of the contract for a group that's a fraction the size of the Delta pilot group.
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Originally Posted by DALFA
(Post 2139770)
Believe it or not, it is my business. Why?
3. Since many pilots seems to believe that our 14.5% pay increase was a huge raise and tell my coworkers that...even when the cut to PS alone eats up 3/4 of that 14.5% then I'll go ahead and offer my opinion on your situation.. |
So "self-help" = we can strike? Which means we have to get permission from someone to strike? New to union stuff.
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Originally Posted by Moondog
(Post 2139863)
So "self-help" = we can strike? Which means we have to get permission from someone to strike? New to union stuff.
Yep - pretty much. If we try to take actions that fall under "self Help" before being released to do so it would cause a lot of trouble for DALPA/ALPA. We are in mediation now and I believe the NMB (or a similar gov't entity)has to "release" us which depending on who you believe can be anytime between 6 months and never. Many on this board think we will never be released due to the size of DAL. John Malone has said repeatedly that he does not believe this. He thinks a release is possible but it will only be for a very major issue. FWIW - I tend to share his opinion. Scoop |
Regionals have gone 6,7,8 years without being released. To think that they would allow a carrier of Delta's size and influence to strike is simply laughable.
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Originally Posted by asacimesp
(Post 2139885)
Regionals have gone 6,7,8 years without being released. To think that they would allow a carrier of Delta's size and influence to strike is simply laughable.
UAL 1985 NWA 1998 AMR 1999 lasted 30 minutes then Presidential Emergecy Board and a contract to follow Comair 2000 NWA mechs 2005 Sprit 2010 It is possible |
Originally Posted by DALFA
(Post 2139770)
Believe it or not, it is my business. Why?
1. Since we're not unionized (and many pilots think we shouldn't) then ALPA gets to indirectly negotiate for us as well. 2. Since we have the same employer and share the same workspace (separated by a door) then it is my business. 3. Since many pilots seems to believe that our 14.5% pay increase was a huge raise and tell my coworkers that...even when the cut to PS alone eats up 3/4 of that 14.5% then I'll go ahead and offer my opinion on your situation. 4. I have years of union experience, even though I don't have one now and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look back in history and see how labor has been successful in attaining considerable gains. 5. There's too many pilots out there that think the NMB is going to release you guys to strike. Read my lips: Never gonna happen! 6. I can't stand our greedy executive team and would much rather you guys get your fair share rather than Big Ed fatten up his wallet even more. 7. Dude, we're on the same team... Im responding to this post because there was a time I was a pilot centric (ex military) guy. Over time my viewpoint has changed and what you are saying is really quite correct. We pilots are unionized contract workers. That status carries some plusses and some minuses. We were hired to perform our trade/skillset. We are no longer the military's leaders and managers. Former military guys, please listen. The company may have hired you because you had a track record of expertise and success. But, the reality is they do not want your opinion on anything managerial. If you try to see the operation through the prism of management, you hurt our bargaining position. Today, now, you are a "technician pilot" nothing more. DALPA appears, thru negotiations, to be attempting to bring Delta into the current day wrt the value of a pilot. The market value of a pilot is pretty high right now. Dont hamstring our value by trying to see it the other sides way. I post this only because I was a former mil guy and I didnt understand unions or unionization at all when I was hired. It took me a few years before that bulb began to even shine at 10-15 watts. So trust me on this. You are a cost item. Your job, our job collectively, is to raise that cost...substantially. |
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