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Hank Kingsley 06-03-2016 05:35 AM

Forbes Welcome

notEnuf 06-03-2016 07:03 AM

Here's the links to the Bloomberg TV videos of the Ed Bastian Interview.

http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjourna...S0g?autoplay=1

http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjourna...BxQ?autoplay=1

http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjourna...T4r?autoplay=1

DALFA 06-03-2016 07:18 AM

If I may...i'd like to point out a few things as a semi-outsider. Part of Delta yes, just not in flight ops.

1. Why do guys keep picking up white slips especially now during Section 6 negotiations? Over the past 30 days i've flown with 2 Captains that said they picked up a while slip. This should not even be an option at this point.

2. Why is it that 60-70% of FOs I fly with have the orange lanyard yet only maybe 25% of Captains have it on? Not a statistical survey...based mostly on my trips over the past 2-3 months. If you can even wear an orange lanyard then why would you expect to get certain results out of negotiations?

3. At what point do you guys start flying the contract? Pilots are still going over contractual duty day limits, going outside and helping the ramp, not writing things up downline so that the plane doesn't get stuck in an outstation etc. This in my opinion is where you guys have real leverage. There's so many things you do, that you don't have to, to keep the operation going that if you just stopped doing it would make Delta management have an "oh fu**" moment. The NMB won't let you strike, it's out of the question. This is your leverage...

nwaf16dude 06-03-2016 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 2139287)
If I may...i'd like to point out a few things as a semi-outsider. Part of Delta yes, just not in flight ops.

1. Why do guys keep picking up white slips especially now during Section 6 negotiations? Over the past 30 days i've flown with 2 Captains that said they picked up a while slip. This should not even be an option at this point.

2. Why is it that 60-70% of FOs I fly with have the orange lanyard yet only maybe 25% of Captains have it on? Not a statistical survey...based mostly on my trips over the past 2-3 months. If you can even wear an orange lanyard then why would you expect to get certain results out of negotiations?

3. At what point do you guys start flying the contract? Pilots are still going over contractual duty day limits, going outside and helping the ramp, not writing things up downline so that the plane doesn't get stuck in an outstation etc. This in my opinion is where you guys have real leverage. There's so many things you do, that you don't have to, to keep the operation going that if you just stopped doing it would make Delta management have an "oh fu**" moment. The NMB won't let you strike, it's out of the question. This is your leverage...

Answering #1 only...If a guy with a regular (i.e. not reserve) schedule is under 75 hours, any green slip he flies does not pay double until he breaks 75 hours for the month. So, if he flew a GS early in the month, he might need to pick up a white slip trip to break the GS trigger to get his double pay. Also, not all of our categories are undermanned, so GS are not available to all. If you are a junior commuter in an overmanned category, it can be nearly impossible to get a GS.

notEnuf 06-03-2016 08:06 AM

If you drop your entire 88 hour line to get the days off you want, then you have to white-slip to get the 70 hours you intended to do that month. To each his own.

I don't always credit more than 70hrs a month...

...but when I do its for premium pay.

Stay thirsty my friends.

Hank Kingsley 06-03-2016 08:11 AM

Dalfa,
We are an assoc. not a union. So, some guys just don't get it. I happen to agree with you.

Hey now.

notEnuf 06-03-2016 08:43 AM

http://nebula.wsimg.com/fef5e99618f0...&alloworigin=1

Wow, that didn't take long at all. More memes to come, now that I know how. :p

BobZ 06-03-2016 10:28 AM

Gosh, Sure Want Crackers. But they make such a mess.

Herkflyr 06-03-2016 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 2139287)
If I may...i'd like to point out a few things as a semi-outsider. Part of Delta yes, just not in flight ops.

1. Why do guys keep picking up white slips especially now during Section 6 negotiations? Over the past 30 days i've flown with 2 Captains that said they picked up a while slip. This should not even be an option at this point.

2. Why is it that 60-70% of FOs I fly with have the orange lanyard yet only maybe 25% of Captains have it on? Not a statistical survey...based mostly on my trips over the past 2-3 months. If you can even wear an orange lanyard then why would you expect to get certain results out of negotiations?

3. At what point do you guys start flying the contract? Pilots are still going over contractual duty day limits, going outside and helping the ramp, not writing things up downline so that the plane doesn't get stuck in an outstation etc. This in my opinion is where you guys have real leverage. There's so many things you do, that you don't have to, to keep the operation going that if you just stopped doing it would make Delta management have an "oh fu**" moment. The NMB won't let you strike, it's out of the question. This is your leverage...

I have a better question. Why don't you mind your own business, and we will mind ours?

buckleyboy 06-03-2016 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2139416)
I have a better question. Why don't you mind your own business, and we will mind ours?

Brah, like, chillax, dude. Those were valid questions.


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