$29,000/month?
06-21-2016, 05:04 AM
#51
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FL370esq,
Very nice summary of this part of the Line Construction process.
Where do we get guys like _______(fill in the blank) who always think they're the smartess guy in the room? Thank goodness they are no longer in determining our fate!
Very nice summary of this part of the Line Construction process.
Where do we get guys like _______(fill in the blank) who always think they're the smartess guy in the room? Thank goodness they are no longer in determining our fate!
06-21-2016, 05:57 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by TexanDriver
What's the point in all that money if you're never home to spend it?
Of course, the better solution is to swap the current ADG for a 5+15 min day and then increase that value to 5+30 over the course of negotiations, as well as increasing the credit value (not pay value) of vacation and CQ seeing as PBS is entirely credit based.
NA15's decoupling of pay and credit for vacation was an awful precedent which would have started us down another slippery slope.
Flame away....
06-21-2016, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
FL370esq,
Very nice summary of this part of the Line Construction process.
Where do we get guys like _______(fill in the blank) who always think they're the smartess guy in the room? Thank goodness they are no longer in determining our fate!
Very nice summary of this part of the Line Construction process.
Where do we get guys like _______(fill in the blank) who always think they're the smartess guy in the room? Thank goodness they are no longer in determining our fate!
Either way, 91:30 hour straight-pay months are a current reality and that is not good for the pilot group.
06-21-2016, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Exactly...maybe we could implement something (I believe the "North" guys had a similar concept) whereby the company would pay straight pay up to 79:59 (still 15 days of work at the current 5:15 ADG) and then time and a half from 80:00 to 91:30. This might incentivize the company to build lower value lines and we could still keep GS pay at 2x because that is additional flying over and above your awarded line.
Of course, the better solution is to swap the current ADG for a 5+15 min day and then increase that value to 5+30 over the course of negotiations, as well as increasing the credit value (not pay value) of vacation and CQ seeing as PBS is entirely credit based.
NA15's decoupling of pay and credit for vacation was an awful precedent which would have started us down another slippery slope.
Flame away....
Of course, the better solution is to swap the current ADG for a 5+15 min day and then increase that value to 5+30 over the course of negotiations, as well as increasing the credit value (not pay value) of vacation and CQ seeing as PBS is entirely credit based.
NA15's decoupling of pay and credit for vacation was an awful precedent which would have started us down another slippery slope.
Flame away....
06-21-2016, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
We need to find a path to flying fewer hours for more pay.
06-21-2016, 07:19 AM
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Sadly true..... and on the other side of that coin? Selling vacation (at a huge discount) and having our CBA tell us its a pay 'raise'.
Not everything is negotiable. At least it shouldn't be.
The claw back that is desperately needed is in the ALV latitude we have surrendered...... absent that... as you point out about the genie being out of the bottle ...a significant improvement in the min day guarantee. even if all that could be accomplished as an initial step would be an ALV indexed min day.... it would be a step in the right direction.
The future of delta pilots qol will hinge on at least halting the trend line to flying FARs every month.
Not everything is negotiable. At least it shouldn't be.
The claw back that is desperately needed is in the ALV latitude we have surrendered...... absent that... as you point out about the genie being out of the bottle ...a significant improvement in the min day guarantee. even if all that could be accomplished as an initial step would be an ALV indexed min day.... it would be a step in the right direction.
The future of delta pilots qol will hinge on at least halting the trend line to flying FARs every month.
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06-21-2016, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
The genie is out of the bottle. Good luck putting him back in. If we change it so that contractually you can only fly -say- 75 hours, and the pay rate increase is only enough so that you make the same W2 as you did at a lower rate - I guarantee you - it will be spun as a paycut. I have seen it ad nauseum on this here board.
06-21-2016, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
Not trying to put the genie back in the bottle, trying to stop us from releasing more genies. Well aware that we will never go back to cap and bow wave or 75 hour monthly max. It's short sighted to think that flying to FAR limits or selling back vacation makes you more money in the long run. Stagnation and even downgrades are the long term results.
