Yo Do! Delta mgt is choosing to outsource the lion's share of the large widebody flying...United isn't. With the codeshare and JV system in place it may be more profitable than flying it on "own metal" but for us pilots it sucks. Delta is reverting to being little more than "that southern local service airline" that my mother turned down a stewardess job with in the 1950's.

Happy as a clam to be here, wouldn't want to be anywhere else, I hope you sensed my sarcasm in my previous post!!! Cheers 🍻

Interesting, when did they get a C series pay rate? They don't show it in their contract. Their current 757 rate is 246 a hour. Strange they would slot it in above the A319/737-700 and just below the 757.

You need a break down it appears:

Currently United 12 yr CA rates...
757-300-(255/hr)
757-200-(246/hr)
737-800/900/A320(246/hr)
737-700/A319(236/hr)
CS300(236/hr)
CS100(185/hr)

On Jan 1 2017, 12 yr CA rates:
757-300-(262/hr)
757-200-(253/hr)
737-800/900/A320(253/hr)
737-700/A319(242/hr)
CS300(242/hr)
CS100(191/hr)

CS100 rate is also same as UALs E190 and E-195 rate.

Not great on those CS 100 rates, but by the end of the extension (2018)they will match the current DL contract 717 rates. That is why they are where they are now. As for the 190 and 195 rates, everyone's rates on those aircraft were bad, so the UAL took a step in the right direction there. That is the point of pattern bargaining, each member takes a step and no one has to ever hit a home run.

Gee, I can't find that C-series rate anywhere, and I'm missing the point of loading up on wide body aircraft while Europe takes a massive dump on the global economy.

As I see it, the trend was towards moving block hours (and jobs) from DCI to DAL. I think that's a good idea, even if it does mean more overnights in Fargo for me. I want ALL Delta flying done by Delta pilots.

The mainline block hour ratio needs to be tightened again, or we will risk being overextended during a downturn. They could start parking mad dogs, and still be in compliance because we were too lazy to crank up the MBH ratio.

Exactly what our management is hoping for...hold us back to taking a small step and prevent us from hitting the home run that is clearly deserved and achievable.

Too bad she didn't take the job, she might be half way up the seniority list by now..:eek:

Yeah, bummer on the C100 rate. Certainly does not help us. Our 717 rate from the failed TA would have been 238 an hour in 18 months.

We all want that. Unfortunately with the JV+equity virtual merger that is not and will not be the case.

Delta is and will continue to be fantastically profitable but we will be unable to capture that value via rate increases. Profit sharing is the next generation compensation model. Like it or not, this is the new reality.

I don't have a problem necessarily with Delta having JVs/codeshares because it does have its advantages, but IT DOES bother me we do it so much. While UAL and AA have three times to four times as many 777s as we do...and are taking deliveries of 777-300s right now (which we don't even have on order) and they both have 787s on property. They'll get more and more of those type of aircraft while we fly around 767-300/300ERs.....and where is the replacement for these 72 aircraft? Don't say it's the new A350/A330 NEO order...that's only 50 aircraft. Between the 767 fleet and the 747 fleet....that's 88 aircraft. 72 + 16 = 88. And don't forget we have a whopping 18 777s

If we would have given the company the widebody scope metrics they wanted in the failed TA, we would never even see a true 767 replacement. Don't give up scope fellas for a few extra bucks or some other nonsense. You could spend a lot of time at Delta in an A321/737-900ER/C-Series while looking UP at United and AA's 777-300s, 787s, and A350s. Sure, we could get a nice pay raise, but in essence a pilot at UAL or AA on average could make more than we do even though they have overall lower pay rate just because they have so much heavy metal...and we have so little to spread around for our folks to fly.