Originally Posted by Dat jet (Post 2150572)

I don't have a problem necessarily with Delta having JVs/codeshares because it does have its advantages, but IT DOES bother me we do it so much. While UAL and AA have three times to four times as many 777s as we do...and are taking deliveries of 777-300s right now (which we don't even have on order) and they both have 787s on property. They'll get more and more of those type of aircraft while we fly around 767-300/300ERs.....and where is the replacement for these 72 aircraft? Don't say it's the new A350/A330 NEO order...that's only 50 aircraft. Between the 767 fleet and the 747 fleet....that's 88 aircraft. 72 + 16 = 88. And don't forget we have a whopping 18 777s

We have 58 767 ER's and 8 747's at the moment. We have 53 A330/A350's coming in the next 5 years. There are no 767ER retirements planned until after 2020 so we will lose 8 airframes. The current plan is to retire each airframe when it reaches 30 years old. They stated at the roadshows that they plan a 7ER replacement order in 2019 and that might be split into two or three orders.
A big chunk of the A330's and A350's coming were planned for the Shanghai hub. Rumor only on this part but negotiations with the Chinese are not going well and that may be why 4 A350 orders were delayed.

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2151018)

You still miss the point.....88 tails that could be retired in the next 7-8 years....and only 53 tails slated to come in.....that's a big gap....and that's my point.....PERIOD DOT

If the make another widebody order..fine, but not until those tails are delivered will I believe it.

Originally Posted by Viking busdvr (Post 2151049)

I trust our management group to take care and look out for themselves only! That is what they have been doing for years now.. We are nothing more than an item on the debit side of the ledger to them. What actions by our current management has lead you to believe they give a rat's arse about our pilot group?? You do know that C.E. Woolman is no longer in charge right???

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2151252)

I am not missing the point. No idea where your 88 number comes from. We have 58 ER's and 8 747's. The first ER retirement is planned for the fall of 2020. The last one in 2031! They plan a widebody replacement order for those aircraft.

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2151018)

You still miss the point.....88 tails that could be retired in the next 7-8 years....and only 53 tails slated to come in.....that's a big gap....and that's my point.....PERIOD DOT

If the make another widebody order..fine, but not until those tails are delivered will I believe it.

Originally Posted by Dat jet (Post 2151243)

That is fine logic. You are comparing tails that "could be" be retired with a lower number that "will" be arriving on the property, all to promote your Debbie Downer point of view. Consistency please.

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2151335)

We have three A321's on the property, I just found out the company has not ordered their replacements for when they retire in 2045! OMG the sky is falling!

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2151255)

Do you think we will ever have the widebody fleet that our peers at AA and UAL have?

UAL: 74 777's with 14 -300's on the way.
AA: 67 777's with 20 -300's on the way.

I know, I know, 777's aren't a "great fit for Delta." But they sure seem to be a great fit for our competitors (and our Skyteam partners.)

Face it, most guys hired today -- unless they're under 35 -- will retire as 737/320A's.