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07-31-2016, 07:39 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by Chuck Essential
This is such nonsense.
If the pilots have not reached and ratified an agreement in 2016, the non-cons will be awarded a 3% bonus in 2017 while negotiations continue and the pilots stagnate due to 3.B.5.
If the pilots are still without an agreement in January 2018, bonuses could be awarded again, yielding nothing for the pilots. The possibility exists that the company could actually make it a 3% raise that would trigger an equivalent raise for the pilots at that time, but would most certainly be discounted in any subsequent ratified agreement.
Mitigating a pay gap that fuels a representation drive for the FAs is one of the easiest challenges for the company to overcome.
If the pilots have not reached and ratified an agreement in 2016, the non-cons will be awarded a 3% bonus in 2017 while negotiations continue and the pilots stagnate due to 3.B.5.
If the pilots are still without an agreement in January 2018, bonuses could be awarded again, yielding nothing for the pilots. The possibility exists that the company could actually make it a 3% raise that would trigger an equivalent raise for the pilots at that time, but would most certainly be discounted in any subsequent ratified agreement.
Mitigating a pay gap that fuels a representation drive for the FAs is one of the easiest challenges for the company to overcome.
There is zero reason for concessions, operational needs, gateway issues, or coaxing management to the table.
We need to scuttle the current stale opener, trash the concessionary AIPs, get an new NC or ALPA is getting voted off the island. It is really that simple. IMMHO.
08-01-2016, 03:06 AM
#82
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
...unless the non-cons get raises...
The natives will be restless with 4 years of pay stagnation. Maybe just enough to form a union.
If the FAs start another drive would they get a raise to appease them???
The natives will be restless with 4 years of pay stagnation. Maybe just enough to form a union.
If the FAs start another drive would they get a raise to appease them???
08-01-2016, 03:08 AM
#83
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Originally Posted by Chuck Essential
This is such nonsense.
If the pilots have not reached and ratified an agreement in 2016, the non-cons will be awarded a 3% bonus in 2017 while negotiations continue and the pilots stagnate due to 3.B.5.
If the pilots are still without an agreement in January 2018, bonuses could be awarded again, yielding nothing for the pilots. The possibility exists that the company could actually make it a 3% raise that would trigger an equivalent raise for the pilots at that time, but would most certainly be discounted in any subsequent ratified agreement.
Mitigating a pay gap that fuels a representation drive for the FAs is one of the easiest challenges for the company to overcome.
If the pilots have not reached and ratified an agreement in 2016, the non-cons will be awarded a 3% bonus in 2017 while negotiations continue and the pilots stagnate due to 3.B.5.
If the pilots are still without an agreement in January 2018, bonuses could be awarded again, yielding nothing for the pilots. The possibility exists that the company could actually make it a 3% raise that would trigger an equivalent raise for the pilots at that time, but would most certainly be discounted in any subsequent ratified agreement.
Mitigating a pay gap that fuels a representation drive for the FAs is one of the easiest challenges for the company to overcome.
08-01-2016, 03:37 AM
#84
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Not THAT is interesting. So you are saying that if it is structured as a "bonus" we get nothing? Veeeeeeerry interesting.
08-01-2016, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
I believe the sun has already set on 3.B.5 (31 Dec) which means the company could pay a "bonus" to the non-cons and not trigger a "me too" payment to the pilots so long as it was a pure bonus and non-con pay rates remained as is. Of course, that begs the question as to the impact on profit sharing - compensation bonus to non-cons is an expense thereby reducing the available PS pool. Lots of second order effects from poor contractual negotiating/language.
08-01-2016, 06:14 AM
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This is exactly why the company proposal removed 3B4. They can't exert leverage if we are due comensurate raises. If it were easily avoidable it would remain in their proposal. The companie's actions are going to have to be increasingly hostile to the pilots and the non-cons in order to drag this out.
Can they afford to do that, and at what cost to the operation? If we are still negotiating, spring of 2017 will be an interesting time.
Can they afford to do that, and at what cost to the operation? If we are still negotiating, spring of 2017 will be an interesting time.
Last edited by notEnuf; 08-01-2016 at 06:30 AM.
08-01-2016, 07:42 AM
#88
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Awarding a bonus to non-contract employees only, during contract negotiations, could be seen as a "change in status quo" pressure tactic. Just as questionable as a sudden, spontaneous "no overtime" outbreak among the pilots. 
