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tomgoodman 08-14-2016 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2180574)
I dont remember the exact details. But it was a bankruptcy proof offshore pension deal to retain top talent. Leo got 8 million and it went lower from there down to, IIRC vickie mascara got $2M. The most ridiculous one was $6M for the nitwit that went to United...fmr marine cant recall his name. Within a year all but 1 were gone.

The scheme was called a SERP, and it caused a firestorm of protest:

Delta's Retention Program Fails To Stop Some Executive Departures - WSJ

Delta Deep-Sixes Executive Pension Plan Payments | PLANSPONSOR

80ktsClamp 08-14-2016 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2180574)
I dont remember the exact details. But it was a bankruptcy proof offshore pension deal to retain top talent. Leo got 8 million and it went lower from there down to, IIRC vickie mascara got $2M. The most ridiculous one was $6M for the nitwit that went to United...fmr marine cant recall his name. Within a year all but 1 were gone.

Kolshack?

I was very impressed with the while still in bankruptcy mgmt types came and addressed us in my newhire class. I sat next to Dickson at lunch that first day. My ignorant self looked at him and said "I'm sorry, who are you?" His ID was flipped around like all our IDs seem to be weighted to do when you inevitably forget their name. He was very friendly. Meanwhile....

Kolshack... that piece of work... the moment he walked in the room I immediately sensed a snake in the grass.

Check Essential 08-15-2016 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2180491)
I've never heard about this. Do you have any more details? This would be a valuable lesson to those who weren't around.for BK.

The executives secretly set up what were called "Secular Trusts" to pay themselves millions right out of the Delta treasury just prior to declaring bankruptcy.
The trusts were all fully funded and untouchable by the creditors.
Management said it was a "retention program" to keep top talent from leaving a bankrupt company. That's where "SERP" acronym comes from. "Supplemental Executive Retention Program".
Except, as soon as their trusts were funded, they all left.

KnotSoFast 08-15-2016 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 2180778)
The executives secretly set up what were called "Secular Trusts" to pay themselves millions right out of the Delta treasury just prior to declaring bankruptcy.
The trusts were all fully funded and untouchable by the creditors.
Management said it was a "retention program" to keep top talent from leaving a bankrupt company. That's where "SERP" acronym comes from. "Supplemental Executive Retention Program".
Except, as soon as their trusts were funded, they all left.

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Not the precise definition. A SERP is a NQDC "top hat" plan typically granted to execs at larger companies. They do NOT conform to the 401(a) rules (thus the Non-Qualified part of NQDC). A SERP is a Supplemental Executive RETIREMENT PLAN. They typically have nothing to do with retention and are ubiquitous at large healthy companies.
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sailingfun 08-15-2016 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2180574)
I dont remember the exact details. But it was a bankruptcy proof offshore pension deal to retain top talent. Leo got 8 million and it went lower from there down to, IIRC vickie mascara got $2M. The most ridiculous one was $6M for the nitwit that went to United...fmr marine cant recall his name. Within a year all but 1 were gone.

I believe Leo's SERP was closer to 16 million. They were retirement plans not retention plans. They shifted money from the normal retirement plans to insure their retirement was protected when they filed chapter 11. This had negative tax implications for the company which the company covered.

tomgoodman 08-15-2016 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by KnotSoFast (Post 2180901)
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Not the precise definition. A SERP is a NQDC "top hat" plan typically granted to execs at larger companies. They do NOT conform to the 401(a) rules (thus the Non-Qualified part of NQDC). A SERP is a Supplemental Executive RETIREMENT PLAN. They typically have nothing to do with retention and are ubiquitous at large healthy companies.
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Whatever SERPs may "typically" be, in this case management justified them as a retention tool (neglecting to require that the recipients actually stay). Delta also paid the taxes for them.

Delta's Retention Program Fails To Stop Some Executive Departures - WSJ

One of the contributors to this WSJ article produced a book called Retirement Heist, which revealed nationwide looting of employee pension funds:

Retirement Heist - Pension Fraud Book - Ellen Schultz

BobZ 08-15-2016 12:48 PM

Gosh.... maybe we should git sum of that for alpa......to stop all our high end talent from r-u-n-n-I-n o-f-f-t and forming labor cutthroat groups??


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