Seniority progression at Delta vs SWA

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08-17-2016 | 04:57 PM

#51

Xray678

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From: 765A

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Originally Posted by Catboatsailor

For anyone considering joining Delta, no I wouldn't consider it a viable wide body career path. The 757 will be phased out in the next 10 years, replaced by 321 & 737-900. 767 flying will be replace with A330. I'd guess that most senior FO's on the 7ER will switch to the 330 forcing it to be a super senior aircraft. I've flown with too many right seat lifer's.

In the last two years the 7ER fleet was slammed with new hire training. I don't see a cycle like that ever happening again for that fleet.

While you are right that the 76ER will be replaced by the 330, in the short term...(5-10 years) the ER category will be relatively stable. And I will bet the 757 out lasts me by a long shot (I have 13 years to go).

08-17-2016 | 06:03 PM

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80ktsClamp

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

Word has it that we might see newbies again in the fall.

The 330 guys have been actively working on a footprint for noobs for a few months now as well. Strange times!

08-17-2016 | 07:31 PM

#53

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Originally Posted by MikeF16

I think you are correct. Although there were no ERs on the last AE, those jumping ship exceeded the back-fill leaving vacancies.

Oh my GOD! They are leaving in droves. What will we ever do?

08-17-2016 | 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by badflaps

Of the five pilot bases I flew from, only one remains.

If you fly from that last remaining one, the airline will disappear.

08-17-2016 | 08:17 PM

#55

GateOccupied

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Originally Posted by FLY6584

That's definitely something to consider, but our CEO has made it clear our growth is going to be south. He wants to takeover South America which is also why our next base will likely be FLL. Furthermore, there is so many gates and overnights in both MCO and TPA that one of them would have to always be a base.

Sounds like Spirit country. They've got a good hold on that new FLL expansion, and lots of S. America slots to even the dark and dirty destinations that your average pax wouldn't frequent for vacation. Think SWA would just acquire the competition? Anyone?

08-17-2016 | 09:22 PM

#56

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

The 330 guys have been actively working on a footprint for noobs for a few months now as well. Strange times!

I hope they're focusing on Street Captain training for the 717 & C-series. I'd wager $50 that we'll see it in 5 years or less. They'll have to move the Captain's leadership training to the upgrade footprint instead of a year later.

08-17-2016 | 09:36 PM

#57

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Originally Posted by Catboatsailor

717 yes if it is still in NYC. C-series will be quite lucrative in comparison out of the west coast with it's very nice cockpit and impressive range.

08-17-2016 | 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GateOccupied

You'll hear a lot of older Southwest guys say that acquiring AirTran is what ruined their airline... can't expect acquiring Spririt will be anymore of a popular move. Expect big issues integrating fleets (maybe they can sell the airbuses to jetBlue at a premium?) and seniority lists and even larger amounts of happy campers.

Spirit going to the dark and dirty destinations is in line with their fare saver business model... Many people will use them to visit family in their "old country"...