New Hire Choices: DAL vs AA?
08-17-2016 | 02:12 PM
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Ok you have said this twice and I can see that you are trying to be humble but here are the facts.
I probably made more money this year than most of the DL pilots at my Seniority level, with a greater QOL and more days off. Even including DLs much larger profit sharing. The reason is because we have more aircraft on the top pay scale. That is a simple fact.
Most pilots don't care how big the airplane is. We do care about comfort though. Must of us care about QOL and career earning potential.
Flying international will ALWAYS offer more days off and higher QOL, its just a fact, and the wide bodies will always offer significantly more pay and that is a fact. If you were to take a pilot hired at DL and one hired at UA on the same day at the same age, forget the uncontrollable problems such as mergers, bankruptcy, furloughes, strikes etc...., and both pilots maximize their pay by bidding up the pay scale as soon as it is available, The United pilot will make more money than the Delta pilot of their career.
If you flipped the pay scale you would see people hired into the wide bodies and junior CAs on the 777. Follow the money.......
I probably made more money this year than most of the DL pilots at my Seniority level, with a greater QOL and more days off. Even including DLs much larger profit sharing. The reason is because we have more aircraft on the top pay scale. That is a simple fact.
Most pilots don't care how big the airplane is. We do care about comfort though. Must of us care about QOL and career earning potential.
Flying international will ALWAYS offer more days off and higher QOL, its just a fact, and the wide bodies will always offer significantly more pay and that is a fact. If you were to take a pilot hired at DL and one hired at UA on the same day at the same age, forget the uncontrollable problems such as mergers, bankruptcy, furloughes, strikes etc...., and both pilots maximize their pay by bidding up the pay scale as soon as it is available, The United pilot will make more money than the Delta pilot of their career.
If you flipped the pay scale you would see people hired into the wide bodies and junior CAs on the 777. Follow the money.......
08-17-2016 | 02:15 PM
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Not true at DAL which is the forum under which this thread is posted and the AA top rate is more than 5% below UAL and UAL includes 767-400 which brings the total percent of pilots at the top pay rate even higher which is really the point; % of pilots at top pay rate 
Plus we all know AA got a crap contract that undercuts QOL as part of the shenanigans surrounding the contentious merger.
Plus we all know AA got a crap contract that undercuts QOL as part of the shenanigans surrounding the contentious merger.
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08-17-2016 | 02:26 PM
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Ok you have said this twice and I can see that you are trying to be humble but here are the facts.
I probably made more money this year than most of the DL pilots at my Seniority level, with a greater QOL and more days off. Even including DLs much larger profit sharing. The reason is because we have more aircraft on the top pay scale. That is a simple fact.
Most pilots don't care how big the airplane is. We do care about comfort though. Must of us care about QOL and career earning potential.
Flying international will ALWAYS offer more days off and higher QOL, its just a fact, and the wide bodies will always offer significantly more pay and that is a fact. If you were to take a pilot hired at DL and one hired at UA on the same day at the same age, forget the uncontrollable problems such as mergers, bankruptcy, furloughes, strikes etc...., and both pilots maximize their pay by bidding up the pay scale as soon as it is available, The United pilot will make more money than the Delta pilot of their career.
If you flipped the pay scale you would see people hired into the wide bodies and junior CAs on the 777. Follow the money.......
I probably made more money this year than most of the DL pilots at my Seniority level, with a greater QOL and more days off. Even including DLs much larger profit sharing. The reason is because we have more aircraft on the top pay scale. That is a simple fact.
Most pilots don't care how big the airplane is. We do care about comfort though. Must of us care about QOL and career earning potential.
Flying international will ALWAYS offer more days off and higher QOL, its just a fact, and the wide bodies will always offer significantly more pay and that is a fact. If you were to take a pilot hired at DL and one hired at UA on the same day at the same age, forget the uncontrollable problems such as mergers, bankruptcy, furloughes, strikes etc...., and both pilots maximize their pay by bidding up the pay scale as soon as it is available, The United pilot will make more money than the Delta pilot of their career.
If you flipped the pay scale you would see people hired into the wide bodies and junior CAs on the 777. Follow the money.......
as for qol....avoiding ULH wear and tear, and the environmental and hostile actors threat are probably the most significant offsets for the more pedestrian domestic schedule.
08-17-2016 | 02:43 PM
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at delta we live in opposite world. i make far more as a NB-A than i ever did as a 777-A. not that w-2 is all important.
as for qol....avoiding ULH wear and tear, and the environmental and hostile actors threat are probably the most significant offsets for the more pedestrian domestic schedule.
as for qol....avoiding ULH wear and tear, and the environmental and hostile actors threat are probably the most significant offsets for the more pedestrian domestic schedule.
Point is the OP seemed to off-hand eliminate UAL, and obviously I am highly biased since I'm UAL, but I think UAL is the best choice out there today based on retirements, pay, QOL, and pretty much any other issue you pick. Our contract even has a "Snap Up" clause so whatever rates they get at DAL we will get the same at UAL.
08-17-2016 | 02:54 PM
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08-17-2016 | 03:01 PM
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the airline industry is a crapshoot. the priority delivery carriers probably not so much. and seniority is paramount.
good advice on surviving a career from a retiring captain 30 yrs ago still applies...
1. if you are married...dont get divorced.
2. always live on the pay one seat below you hold.
3. find a second job.
4. plan on your life being turned upside down every 6 or 7 years.
good advice on surviving a career from a retiring captain 30 yrs ago still applies...
1. if you are married...dont get divorced.
2. always live on the pay one seat below you hold.
3. find a second job.
4. plan on your life being turned upside down every 6 or 7 years.
08-17-2016 | 03:02 PM
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QOL at the cargo carriers is terrible. No amount of contract improvements can change the fact that the majority of the flying is back side of the clock plus talk about contentious management . . . wow. A good buddy of mine is Fed Ex. Wouldn't take his job at twice the pay.
08-17-2016 | 03:04 PM
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the airline industry is a crapshoot. the priority delivery carriers probably not so much. and seniority is paramount.
good advice on surviving a career from a retiring captain 30 yrs ago still applies...
1. if you are married...dont get divorced.
2. always live on the pay one seat below you hold.
3. find a second job.
4. plan on your life being turned upside down every 6 or 7 years.
good advice on surviving a career from a retiring captain 30 yrs ago still applies...
1. if you are married...dont get divorced.
2. always live on the pay one seat below you hold.
3. find a second job.
4. plan on your life being turned upside down every 6 or 7 years.
True Dat!!
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