New Hire Choices: DAL vs AA?
08-17-2016 | 03:21 PM
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Thank you all! This is great advice across the board.
I'll pick the domicile and do what I can with whatever I fly and keep the family happy. I do have a second job just in case I pick wrongly!
Appreciate the words of wisdom from incredible experience on this forum. Very humbled that there are options to many of us newbies.
I'll pick the domicile and do what I can with whatever I fly and keep the family happy. I do have a second job just in case I pick wrongly!
Appreciate the words of wisdom from incredible experience on this forum. Very humbled that there are options to many of us newbies.
08-17-2016 | 03:31 PM
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The variability in W-2s is huge even between two people in the same seat and this is true at any airline. There are 777 FOs out earning 737 Caps at UAL and vice versa. Depends on how much the individual wants to work and how much they use "schedule optimization". Rumor is some guys at UAL are breaking $400k by maximizing double pay trips every month.
*post mostly meant of the OPs awareness.
08-17-2016 | 04:47 PM
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True story. We have NB FOs out earning their Captains, without working all that much extra, if at all. Heck, I was lucky enough to get to listen to a 75 captain complain to some union guys that, "it wasn't fair, that the last 3 FOs he has flown with are out earning him...and mostly working less!" Staying senior in your seat is huge at Delta (as I'm sure it is as most place).
Staying senior in your seat is the key to maximizing QOL and/or pay at Delta, doesn't matter what seat it is.
08-17-2016 | 04:48 PM
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Yes.....health insurance sucks at Delta. If you live in ATL you can't even use it right now.
08-17-2016 | 07:41 PM
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Retirement, retirement, retirement. Did I mention retirements.
As to how a company treats pilots that changes with the wind. Have you read the vitriol against DAL management on hear? And, at AA I can't imagine sharing a cockpit with USAir guys or AmWest guys after the SLI comes out. Also ask lots of questions about reserve rules. Can days off be "rolled"? Plus AA has some horrible contract gives like 3 day ten hour trips. Not allowed at UAL 'cuz contract says min 5 hours per calendar day. Or how about being asked to go to training in the middle of the night? Lots of "devils" in the details when it comes to life at the bottom of the list. Get informed.
UAL has hired about the same as DAL. Don't know what the numbers are at DAL, but at UAL we are retiring 400 or so per year for the next 7 or 8 years.
DAL 18/777 and 9/747s
AA 67/777 and 0/747
UAL 75/777 and 22/747 and 15/777 coming in 2017 for a total of 90/777 plus 35/A350s coming starting in 2018
and no I don't think an A330 deserves to be in this count as it is 200,000 lbs lighter at max and pays less.
As to how a company treats pilots that changes with the wind. Have you read the vitriol against DAL management on hear? And, at AA I can't imagine sharing a cockpit with USAir guys or AmWest guys after the SLI comes out. Also ask lots of questions about reserve rules. Can days off be "rolled"? Plus AA has some horrible contract gives like 3 day ten hour trips. Not allowed at UAL 'cuz contract says min 5 hours per calendar day. Or how about being asked to go to training in the middle of the night? Lots of "devils" in the details when it comes to life at the bottom of the list. Get informed.
UAL has hired about the same as DAL. Don't know what the numbers are at DAL, but at UAL we are retiring 400 or so per year for the next 7 or 8 years.
DAL 18/777 and 9/747s
AA 67/777 and 0/747
UAL 75/777 and 22/747 and 15/777 coming in 2017 for a total of 90/777 plus 35/A350s coming starting in 2018
and no I don't think an A330 deserves to be in this count as it is 200,000 lbs lighter at max and pays less.
Proceed with telling me how we will all be working for RJ wages if we go to a longevity system.
08-17-2016 | 08:11 PM
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I am really glad I didn't have that extra kid. Looks like the third kid triggers a 3X increase in max out-of-pocket family max.
08-18-2016 | 04:39 AM
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QOL at the cargo carriers is terrible. No amount of contract improvements can change the fact that the majority of the flying is back side of the clock plus talk about contentious management . . . wow. A good buddy of mine is Fed Ex. Wouldn't take his job at twice the pay.
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