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Old 08-20-2016 | 06:35 AM
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What I've heard from a mix of the 7 and 12 is just what you stated, Scoop. When not pressured to hold a political line they say reality is in between and much more realistic.
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Old 08-20-2016 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
If we got that rate, and -as you say- the DAL 767s won't be in the same solar system as UPS's, how do you then justify paying the 76 UPS+ when it would put our 777s out somewhere with Voyager? The 777s deserve to be way out of whack relative to everyone else? Bullsqueeze. If they do, so does everyone else.

The point is, you are cherrypicking a contract that is vastly different than ours. Tell me how you plan on rectifying that.

I don't have to rectify a dang thing to you. I never said to pay more than UPS, (as you say?)I was just saying that the alluded to 28% pay rate isn't in the same solar system. I was making a comparison


Don't put your words into my comments and cherry pick what you want.
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Old 08-20-2016 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
This is the problem. We are hearing two distinctively different versions coming from the MEC:

From the Dirty Dozen - The company has barely moved of its inadequate last offer. If this is the case No brainer, keep at it and come back when we get a better offer.

From the Magnificent 7 - We are within reach of a very good deal but internal squabbles may prevent us from bringing it to fruition.
Also a No brainer - Bring us a TA and let the Pilots decide.

The problem is both of these stories can not be true. My bet is its probably somewhere in between.

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I agree Scoop
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Old 08-20-2016 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Dat jet
I don't have to rectify a dang thing to you. I never said to pay more than UPS, (as you say?)I was just saying that the alluded to 28% pay rate isn't in the same solar system. Reading Comprehension......


Don't put your words into my comments and cherry pick what you want.
Well OK then.. You just throw out numbers, just to throw them out with absolutely no thinking behind what they mean and how they relate to the other parts of the contract. So what is sticking to the wall?

Well done. Well done indeed
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Old 08-20-2016 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Well OK then.. You just throw out numbers, just to throw them out with absolutely no thinking behind what they mean and how they relate to the other parts of the contract. So what is sticking to the wall?

Well done. Well done indeed
Don't get upset because you can't prove a point....enjoy waiting like me and everyone else for a deal.

Have a blessed day!!
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Old 08-20-2016 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
It seems that the MEC is (against the advice of the NC, the administration, the attorneys, and the NMB) passing up a great deal to try for the perfect deal (which doesn't exist).
This is factually incorrect and revisionist history. Just like Buzz's report.
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Old 08-20-2016 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
I agree that we are in a sweet spot. I agree that we shouldn't waste it, as those of us who were here for the bad times know that those sweet spots don't last forever. Ask the APA in 2001.

It seems that the MEC is (against the advice of the NC, the administration, the attorneys, and the NMB) passing up a great deal to try for the perfect deal (which doesn't exist).

If we waste this fleeting opportunity, we'll have nobody to blame but ourselves.
But not against the pilot majority though. My Rep speaks for me. QOL and more money go hand in hand.
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Old 08-20-2016 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
This is factually incorrect and revisionist history. Just like Buzz's report.
Actually, it isn't. You can choose to believe me or not, but it doesn't change the truth.
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Old 08-20-2016 | 08:50 AM
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And you can do the same.


Originally Posted by D Mantooth
Actually, it isn't. You can choose to believe me or not, but it doesn't change the truth.
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Old 08-20-2016 | 09:05 AM
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And you can do the same.
True. But there are other way to verify.
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