Scoop

I hope you guys tactfully addressed the above issues when filling our your critique forms.

Scoop

surfnski

They won't say a thing. Why? Because they're on probation and scared to put a target on their back. The conspiracy theories bouncing around my Indoc class 2 years ago were mind-boggling.

Cycle Pilot

I've been here for over eight years. In that time I've trained on almost every fleet we have and been based in four different bases. I can count on one hand the amount of captains I've had treat me like this is my "first flying job." Maybe it's you and your buddies?

By the way... Captains put up with a lot of garbage, too. I was jumpseating a couple months ago and the first officer was all over the captain about every little thing! That captain had the patience of a saint! The FO had only been here about a year. Very annoying.

fishforfun

Actually, some issues were addressed on the spot but fell on deaf ears.

duece12345

Maybe....but probably not. I share the same view as many of my new hire classmates on other fleets. You have been here 8years, but you were only new-hire one time. After my initial 6 months here the "mentoring" slowly stopped and the job became pretty good.


Its not hard. unless there will be metal bent or a violation, just let the guy/gal fly their leg. I fly with new captains all the time that are still learning the maddog. I watch some do some interesting "techniques" as they are still getting comfortable. I keep my mouth shut unless they ask what I think. I can't tell you how much I was micromanaged as a new guy here. like I had never flown before. it was ridiculous. Maybe it is all airlines, but I can tell you this mentoring nonsense has gone overboard at mother D.

ShyGuy

One time on a Delta jumpseat 737-800 from SFO-DTW redeye, the CA was PF and was cool as **** but the FO was trying to run things. Example was climbing and in clouds and the temp was +9 and anti ice was on. It goes to +10 and the second it hits +11 the FO says ok here it comes off. CA said well, lets just wait I think the temp will come down again. FO does it anyway. Reaches and turns it off. Then the temp goes below 10 and the CA just calmly says see? FO turns it back on. That was just a small example. By the time the leg was done I thought if I hadn't seen the CA on the yoke/throttles for takeoff/landing, I would have thought it was the FOs leg
FO was a ASA guy who had upgraded relatively quickly back in the day and was hired at Delta at a decent young age. On that leg he was being a right seat CA. Might be okay for one leg, but would be annoying over a 4-day trip.

CoefficientX

Yikes, sounds like the mentoring needs to continue.

Sink r8

Seems that the consensus is that BB is not the sort of person that should be the face of the company to pilots in indoc. He doesn't have the skillset or personality for the job. Several very diverse NH FO's have related some disturbing stories. I think he's setting the wrong tone.

OTOH, if you're being a jackass after OE based on someone in Indoc, he's not the problem: you are. Some of the problems related by LCA's and other Captains are just plain bizarre.

I think we're all best served when everyone minds their manners, and encourages others to do the same. I try very hard to be professional, accommodating and respectful of others in the cockpit, because I think that's what we all should do.

Lots of pilots are adapting to new jobs right now, and the shuffle will continue for a very long time. Anyone who doesn't realize it's a NEW job is a potential impediment, IMO. Nobody cares that you were a genius777 FO if you're in the left seat of a 717, and no one cares that you were the awesomest LCA for 15 years at another airline.

fishforfun

I think that about says it all.

Is there a new hire class tomorrow??

sidestep

BB is a fine choice for his role. He demands a bit of respect, but as a new hire - who cares?

Play the game - cooperate & graduate.

There IS yet another new hire class tomorrow.. 👍😎