Originally Posted by Elliot

Why the drama? Is the outlook of your "safe space" in jeopardy since the person who suffocated business/economy has only a month left in public housing?

I've worked in safety for almost ten years. It's possible for an experienced crew to have just as high of an Operational Risk Management (ORM) score as a junior/less experienced crew. (e.g. C-5 crash at Dover, with two IP's & an EP.)

Originally Posted by Tanker1497

ORM...there's a real solid safety tool. We used it, right up until we couldn't use it and fly!

Originally Posted by CheapTrick

Whaat? Dang, you worked a bunch o' crap into that short post. A dig at millennials; a dig at democrats w/a possible racist dig at blacks w/the public housing comment and then a chest thump w/a dig at the AF and experienced pilots in general. I give it a 9.75 on the BOC meter.

Originally Posted by Elliot

Not really the point. Experienced crews are as accident prone, in separate areas, as less experienced crews.

Also, your D.O. or scheduling shop has an issue if you need to avoid ORM to perform the mission! Let me guess, Active Duty?

Originally Posted by Elliot

Why the drama? Is the outlook of your "safe space" in jeopardy since the person who suffocated business/economy has only a month left in public housing?

I've worked in safety for almost ten years. It's possible for an experienced crew to have just as high of an Operational Risk Management (ORM) score as a junior/less experienced crew. (e.g. C-5 crash at Dover, with two IP's & an EP.)

Originally Posted by motof16

It's seems like we're missing the real driver of the junior A positions being given out. It's not retirements, aircraft movements, or hiring. It's the senior FOs, many of whom experienced REAL stagnation (5-7 years M88B as the plug), are now above 50% seniority in their category. They get weekends, holidays, green slips, LCA trip buys, and the schedule they want. They are royalty of their category and the last two years have seen their QOL accelerate rapidly!

When I ask them why they aren't bidding the left seat I get two answers: 1) Not until I can make more money over there, 2) Not until I can hold a line consistently. Every one of them has a bid in for left seat but with a caveat for a certain seniority or line.

Thusly and forsooth, demand for the left seat bottom 15% will remain steady while the supply of "seniority appropriate" FOs will be very low. I predict we will see M88A and 717A positions go VERY junior for the next 2-3 years until 2014+ hires occupy the bottom of each category to meet the threshold set by the senior FOs.

Originally Posted by TED74

I've known many an ignoramus with a decade of experience in their given fields. If you see drama in my post, or think my interest in preserving an exceptional safety record has anything to do with one's "safe space", I pity your inability to think critically.

Originally Posted by TED74

If you understand ORM in aviation, you know there is an inverse correlation between risk levels and experience in type, especially in the first 500 hours. A particularly unforgiving aircraft like the MD88 (and unpredictable avionics like those in the Chinese-operated 90s) will exacerbate challenges...your hyperbole aside.

Originally Posted by Elliot

Critical thought isn't just asking questions, it's asking the "right" questions in a thoughtful manner.

Originally Posted by Elliot

Why the drama? Is the outlook of your "safe space" in jeopardy since the person who suffocated business/economy has only a month left in public housing?

Originally Posted by Machnumber

so... Back on topic... Anyone know when the class dates will be for next year? Are they expecting classes every Monday?