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Old 09-01-2016 | 04:36 PM
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preach it OFG!!
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Old 09-01-2016 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The Fitness review board is a big improvement over what we now have. The real beauty of it is that you can't not get paid for a fatigue call unless the union agrees with it. If the 2/2 board deadlocks you're paid.
Unless, one of the career ALPA shills is involved in the process. There are a few i would never want standing between me and a fatigue call...50/50 outcome at best!
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Old 09-01-2016 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Vikz09
Unless, one of the career ALPA shills is involved in the process. There are a few i would never want standing between me and a fatigue call...50/50 outcome at best!
I have dealt with this twice and both times The "career ALPA shills" I had were rock solid...100% positive outcome...
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Old 09-01-2016 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Why must you commingle Profit sharing and pay rates? This is insane. Show your math. Best I come up with is $315/hr if you lump it all together. Sorry they are two different forms of compensation from two different sources, protecting both time and investment of the Delta pilots.
Why do we willingly discuss PS as part of a pay increase in this TA??? We paid for PS in lieu of payrates many years ago. It should be completely left out of the discussion and only be negotiated separate of rates.
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Old 09-01-2016 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The math is easy. Current rate 218.00. 16.5% now and 3% on I Jan. DC rate of 16% on 1 Jan. The original poster included those items. The comparison is us to SW so adding PS is valid since our program is better.
Delta Rate with DC on 1 Jan. 303
SWA rate with DC on 1 Jan. 278

I fully expect we will see a slightly higher rate in the final product and I expect to retain the pensionability aspect of the PS. I used the companies current table position as worst case numbers.
The math is simple when the numbers are certain. What exactly is our "certain" PS number for 2016? For 2017?

I plan on the PS number being zero and that way I am pleasantly surprised when something other than $0 shows up on Valentine's Day. Pay rates are pay rates and profit sharing is profit sharing. The two are independent methods of compensation but only one is "certain." Emphasize and strengthen the "certain." 😊
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Old 09-01-2016 | 06:30 PM
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well....we have it on expert economic authority black swans are imminent.....so its only prudent to set ps value at zero....and base our discussions entirely on tangible compensation.
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Old 09-01-2016 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
Why do we willingly discuss PS as part of a pay increase in this TA??? We paid for PS in lieu of payrates many years ago. It should be completely left out of the discussion and only be negotiated separate of rates.
...or maybe if they want it on the table, we can talk about retro to 2012
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Old 09-02-2016 | 02:03 AM
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2012?.....how about to 2005?!
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Old 09-02-2016 | 03:10 AM
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SWA scope. All Delta regional flying returned to mainline. 5000 pilots. No JV. We do all our international flying.

No PBS. 15% more pilots. 2000 additional pilots. Not saying we should drop PBS, just comparing apples to apples. SWA has no PBS.

Trips touching vacation at SWA. More than double our vacation. 2000 more pilots.

:54 minutes TFP. 800 more Delta pilots.

6.5 TFP for training day and reserve day. 1200 more Delta pilots.

At least 3500 more Delta captains if we had the SWA aip.

Imagine your domestic quality of life if we had 3 day trips worth 22 hours vs our 15:45.
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Old 09-02-2016 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
SWA scope. All Delta regional flying returned to mainline. 5000 pilots. No JV. We do all our international flying.

No PBS. 15% more pilots. 2000 additional pilots. Not saying we should drop PBS, just comparing apples to apples. SWA has no PBS.

Trips touching vacation at SWA. More than double our vacation. 2000 more pilots.

:54 minutes TFP. 800 more Delta pilots.

6.5 TFP for training day and reserve day. 1200 more Delta pilots.

At least 3500 more Delta captains if we had the SWA aip.

Imagine your domestic quality of life if we had 3 day trips worth 22 hours vs our 15:45.
The problem with SWA trips is you have to fly them. That's 22 hrs of hard time vs our credit for 30 hr layovers.
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