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Viking busdvr 08-31-2016 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Lvjhr (Post 2192724)
Could somebody please post where SD said that every single part of the contract would be industry leading. I would love to see this. I wish it were true. I think what he said was that we would have it industry-leading contract, not that every section of the contract would be industry-leading. Maybe I'm getting lost in semantics.

The bigger question is will ANY of the sections posted by Jerry at the beginning of this thread be "industry leading"?

TexanDriver 08-31-2016 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Lvjhr (Post 2192724)
Could somebody please post where SD said that every single part of the contract would be industry leading. I would love to see this. I wish it were true. I think what he said was that we would have it industry-leading contract, not that every section of the contract would be industry-leading. Maybe I'm getting lost in semantics.

Go to DLnet and search "Dickson". You'll find a memo dated May 20th. Also, search "industry leading" and you'll find a statement that says something along the lines of "industry leading in pay, work rules and benefits" under the FAQ section.

FL370esq 08-31-2016 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 2192669)
I do not believe that is correct. It appears that he does not want them to sell us out, like your bunch tried to last year, but fail, no.

Clearly Jerry does not care for Buzz's perspective - I get that. Buzz was part of Donut-yelli's "in crowd." But now the majority ("the 12") are supposedly hard-liners in Buzz's world yet Jerry calls them "surrender monkeys." So, by all this analysis and discussion, it appears we now have a 3rd group.....(1) Buzz's caucus who were "the Moakies"; (2) "the 12" who, by inference from Jerry, are the "surrender monkeys" and unreasonable hardliners according to Buzz; and (3), Jerry's kids.

I guess some people will never be happy - like the old union joke..."Okay, okay.....we have a deal. We only have to work on Wednesdays." "HEY.....Mr. Union Man....is that EVERY Wednesday???" We're doomed.

JamesBond 08-31-2016 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2192779)
Clearly Jerry does not care for Buzz's perspective - I get that. Buzz was part of Donut-yelli's "in crowd." But now the majority ("the 12") are supposedly hard-liners in Buzz's world yet Jerry calls them "surrender monkeys." So, by all this analysis and discussion, it appears we now have a 3rd group.....(1) Buzz's caucus who were "the Moakies"; (2) "the 12" who, by inference from Jerry, are the "surrender monkeys" and unreasonable hardliners according to Buzz; and (3), Jerry's kids.

I guess some people will never be happy - like the old union joke..."Okay, okay.....we have a deal. We only have to work on Wednesdays." "HEY.....Mr. Union Man....is that EVERY Wednesday???" We're doomed.

I think Jerry is referring to everyone that doesn't subscribe to his particular brand of bull excrement as surrender monkeys. Watch his feet.

He farts in the phone booth then points at everybody else.

Lvjhr 08-31-2016 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by TexanDriver (Post 2192748)
Go to DLnet and search "Dickson". You'll find a memo dated May 20th. Also, search "industry leading" and you'll find a statement that says something along the lines of "industry leading in pay, work rules and benefits" under the FAQ section.

Found it, thanks. He says that is something that the company wants, to be industry-leading. I'm just not seeing it with their negotiating!

Raging white 08-31-2016 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by marcal (Post 2192428)
This is irony at its finest. Delta led every airline out of the post 9/11 and bankruptcy era for 3 contracts in a row based on interest based bargaining. The minute this pilot group decided not to pursue that strategy, our lead stopped.


YGBSM! If we voted yes to TA2015 we would be so far behind everyone to be the laughing stock of the industry. Nothing is more demonstrably true. The best thing this group ever did for itself was overwhelmingly vote that down. This, respectfully, is the most inaccurate post I've seen.

Turbo1 08-31-2016 06:36 PM

Come on moderators........give us a like button! I want to like the above post and many others.

gzsg 08-31-2016 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2192673)
Not my bunch, sport. Jerry has an agenda though. If you don't see it, it is only because you don't want to.

I'm 100% aligned with Captain Dickson. Industry leading pay, work rules and benefits.

The 12 are kicking butt.

The surrender monkeys are the 7 plus James, Sailing, Mantooth, Curly, JP, Hanson, Armando, etc.

JamesBond 08-31-2016 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2192873)
I'm 100% aligned with Captain Dickson. Industry leading pay, work rules and benefits.

The 12 are kicking butt.

The surrender monkeys are the 7 plus James, Sailing, Mantooth, Curly, JP, Hanson, Armando, etc.

Hopefully everybody else sees you for what you are: a divisive dpa shill. Nothing more.

I notice that you haven't provided any data whatsoever to back up your latest claims.


More stink in the phonebooth. I know you did it though.

deadseal 08-31-2016 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by marcal (Post 2192428)
This is irony at its finest. Delta led every airline out of the post 9/11 and bankruptcy era for 3 contracts in a row based on interest based bargaining. The minute this pilot group decided not to pursue that strategy, our lead stopped.

So you are saying we should have voted in TA15 and we would be industry leading. Hello, I'm earth, have we met?


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