Malone Divides = We Subtract
09-03-2016, 06:18 AM
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They admitted they did a poor job explaining it. A more detailed presentation will come out soon.
Personally I understood the Notepad and the Q&A and am 100% in favor of the VEBA. Can't beat tax free deposits, investment gains and withdrawals to pay for medical expenses in retirement. Well done by the negotiatiors.
Personally I understood the Notepad and the Q&A and am 100% in favor of the VEBA. Can't beat tax free deposits, investment gains and withdrawals to pay for medical expenses in retirement. Well done by the negotiatiors.
Any good explanation will be a sales job in my opinion.
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09-03-2016, 06:31 AM
#122
Straight QOL, homie
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09-03-2016, 06:42 AM
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They maybe we need to find some new "guys."
Was there a "wave of social media outrage" for the UPS or SWA deals? For Allegiant's 40% pay increase? No, there wasn't. Because their "guys" fought and didn't cave in.
There will be no outrage if our "guys" fight the good fight. Right now, Malone is fixated on a quick deal. Unsat.
Was there a "wave of social media outrage" for the UPS or SWA deals? For Allegiant's 40% pay increase? No, there wasn't. Because their "guys" fought and didn't cave in.
There will be no outrage if our "guys" fight the good fight. Right now, Malone is fixated on a quick deal. Unsat.
I'm not happy with any concessions. I've voted no the last 2 contracts, and I'm not a chronic no voter.
I don't believe there is a "new" guy that some of us would ever be happy with. Some guys would be burning an effigy of George Washington if he was leading this goat rope of a union.
JM ran on restoration, and moved to the middle, no doubt. He will never get the support or vote of the far right. Many of us are now marginal voices. 50% will vote for anything. 1% will make a TA pass.
I'd be willing to bet, that you, PD, would not achieve what you would vote for. I couldn't either. Why JM jumped into this mess is beyond me. Thankless job. He's not a shill and some guys are making some pretty crappy statements regarding his motives and character. He's a level headed and pretty good guy.
I have a lot of respect for JM after seeing him handle the long winded Q&A session questions from the "Just Say No" pilots. He listened, and analytically addressed each question/concern with tact, reason and factual evidence. His experience from C2K showed.
09-03-2016, 06:47 AM
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2. Dont know. ALPA might have the answer for that
3. Not following. Cap to beneficiaries? Or Cap on the fund?
09-03-2016, 07:34 AM
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09-03-2016, 10:10 AM
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I was using the $10.9M figure for a married couple; not sure how things change when a couple dies in series and not parallel 
My point was that many pilots' estates won't exceed a threshold at death that trigger taxes for beneficiaries, so the tax-free passing of VEBA monies didn't seem to be a significant benefit of the program. Of course, VEBA offers other benefits but at the moment it seems a little fuzzy to be something voted on any time soon.
My point was that many pilots' estates won't exceed a threshold at death that trigger taxes for beneficiaries, so the tax-free passing of VEBA monies didn't seem to be a significant benefit of the program. Of course, VEBA offers other benefits but at the moment it seems a little fuzzy to be something voted on any time soon.
09-03-2016, 10:16 AM
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[QUOTE=80ktsClamp;2194432]Bingo! That's why the polling has been continuous. That was one of the major screw ups from the failed TA last year. Now they have continuous monthly data.
And that data said we don't want a retirement upgrade, min day or better medical? Instead it said that we want VB, VEBA, increased ALV, OE pulls from FOs and CAPS, etc.?
I don't think so...and we'll never see the data, so there's that.
And that data said we don't want a retirement upgrade, min day or better medical? Instead it said that we want VB, VEBA, increased ALV, OE pulls from FOs and CAPS, etc.?
I don't think so...and we'll never see the data, so there's that.
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