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Old 09-07-2016 | 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
^^^totally agree^^^

The rate of pay for different airframes makes absolutely no sense. Seriously needs correcting.
747 = A350
777 = A330
737 = A320
ALL DC-9 variants (MD-88/717/MD-90) should be same rate, and probably at the A320/737 scale. Gotta' be a story here as to how messed up our pay system became.
Maybe we can pay band like UAL and AA as James Bond has put forth numerous times. We started losing the logic of pay rates in C2K when we followed UAL and combined the 757/767 into one rate but yet retained different rates for the MD88 and MD90. It would be nice to get a higher percentage of our pilots at the highest pay scale...preferably by buying more big metal but recent history has shown that is not likely to happen so we might as well pay band up.

Of course, enacting paybanding would be a concession in the eyes of the 10% "absolutely no" crowd because pay banding would likely reduce some training/AE movement...so I guess it will never pass.
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Old 09-07-2016 | 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
Gotta' be a story here as to how messed up our pay system became.
Besides the 75/76 banding while the MD88/MD90 paid different rates, there was a short time when our 10 737-700s paid significantly less than the -800 which was interesting. I gave up trying to figure it out 15 years ago. Didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. 😊
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Old 09-07-2016 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
^^^totally agree^^^

The rate of pay for different airframes makes absolutely no sense. Seriously needs correcting.
747 = A350
777 = A330
737 = A320
ALL DC-9 variants (MD-88/717/MD-90) should be same rate, and probably at the A320/737 scale. Gotta' be a story here as to how messed up our pay system became.
or how about:
2 aisles: 777
1 aisle: 757
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Old 09-07-2016 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
or how about:
2 aisles: 777
1 aisle: 757
I have an even better idea.
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Old 09-07-2016 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
I have an even better idea.
go on......
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Old 09-07-2016 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
go on......
3...2...1...lbp
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Old 09-07-2016 | 01:42 PM
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Don't provoke him!
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Old 09-09-2016 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
With the arbitrator. The lowest it will be is the 737-900 rate.
There's zero chance it will be our current 737-900 rate unless there's some Cayman/Suisse accounts somewhere getting huge transfers. Even then it would be hard to do.

There's no way an arbitrator will ignore the 15-20% premium our direct peers already get and somehow index the rate to our already lagging horribly expired pay tables.

Look for another "Delta dot" at least indexed to UAL's (etc) current rates with zero concessions.
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Old 09-09-2016 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
There's zero chance it will be our current 737-900 rate unless there's some Cayman/Suisse accounts somewhere getting huge transfers. Even then it would be hard to do.

There's no way an arbitrator will ignore the 15-20% premium our direct peers already get and somehow index the rate to our already lagging horribly expired pay tables.

Look for another "Delta dot" at least indexed to UAL's (etc) current rates with zero concessions.
Yup. Tick-tock. Now its too late for this weeks negotiating also.
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Old 09-09-2016 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
or how about:
2 aisles: 777
1 aisle: 757
^^^This my friend, if you'll pardon the pun, is a capital idea^^^
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