Mantooth, the AIP's need to go away. Pay us industry leading. Give us better retirement and vacation and we will have a deal. We are not going to give up the farm just to get better pay rates.
I think the 12 strong MEC guys need to get rid of JM and the NC. Start over.

Where is that like button?................

Seems to me they already own this process. so they cannot control JM and the NC? Interesting. What makes you think they can install someone they CAN control, and what makes you think that someone that can be 'controlled' by a group of 12 is a good thing?

The strong 12, eh? It's that black and white?

Perhaps you should reexamine it deeper and realize that it's not so black and white as some stupid monkier like the "strong 12" or something similar.

Your right they do own it. They know it is out of control and not going the way the want it. They need to make a change to what has been happening and start fresh. Any TA that has these AIP's in it is going to get voted down.

The way THEY want it?

THEY????

So scrap the whole thing and start over?

Kiss retro bye bye.

Or can we say no until the company gives that to us?

Now I see why Jerry posts like this.

Who said anything about retro going bye bye. The AIP's will go bye bye. The majority of the pilot group here will not give up work rules for pay rates.

I said it. We are too far along in this process to go out and get professional negotiators :rolleyes:, fire e'reybody in the MEC/NC and start over. Some think that doing all that is going to magically make management start quaking in their boots and knuckle under because we are serious. That is laughable. Go through all that and retro is g....o...n....e.... Oh but we will say no until they pay it, right?

Do you seriously think management's Park Avenue lawyers are afraid of hired guns? Seriously? What on earth do you think they would bring to the party besides a huge bill for their services? I've seen this movie now at every negotiations and it is always the same thing.

Your missing the point. We will not have these AIP's. We will not give up work rules for a pay raise. You seem to just be all about the money.
Thats fine, you have your vote. Any TA that has these AIP's in it will get voted down. I think the 12 MEC guys realize this now.

DALPA has moved 7% lower on pay rates and the company has moved up 1%?