Originally Posted by cornbeef007 (Post 2201073)

What is your retirement year?

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2201074)

How is that relevant to anything? Does it make you feel better throwing him under the bus knowing he only has a few years left?

Originally Posted by cornbeef007 (Post 2201075)

No....I'm just curious. Our calculators aren't in sync and I would like to figure out why. That's the only variable I can think of.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2201080)

Sorry for the snark. I get the feeling that some of the "QOLers" on here have zero problem throwing the deadzoners under the bus so they don't have to get a doctor's note.

No.

Problem.

Originally Posted by Tanker1497 (Post 2201083)

Yeah, that's why we are stuck in the mud James...a doctor's note.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2201090)

One of the reasons. If I felt like proving the point that you know is true, I'd go back and quote all the "I'm voting no because of the sick leave" posts.

That's not the point of the post though Tank. The point is that those with the most time to recover are going to throw the deadzoners right under the bus and feel great about doing so yet get all incensed if one of said deadzoners refers to a good deal money wise.

Unity.

Selfishness is not a big part of that concept.

Originally Posted by deadseal (Post 2201088)

Just like they (you?) would throw the young guys under the bus for an extra 16%ish. I get it, I understand it. But hopefully there are more of us than you. Please stop griping about this when your crowd is doing the same thing. Let's all be honest with each other eh?

It's more than just a doctors note but you know that. It's about setting the right precedent when the company is making ****ing billions. Come on dude

Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 2200793)

Sure, Ted. Valid question.

In any negotiation (like today's), Delta is not going to agree to pay us drastically above the market in total compensation (rates, work rules, PS, retirement, etc.). Further, the NMB is going to factor all of those things when they determine the "zone of reasonableness."

It's almost as if we negotiate a big pie with the company, and we get to decide how to slice it up. The size of the pie will stay the same regardless of how we label the slices.

The idea that PS payments are somehow hidden is just not realistic. The current negotiations prove that.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2201098)

I think the pie got bigger over last year. Right?

Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 2200826)

I'll buy that. Any way we can convert "maybe" compensation to "definitely" compensation (in whatever form) is fine with me.