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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2201100)

Has it? Did we get a pay increase that I have not heard about?

It' s like the stock market. You haven't made money until you sell. We haven't sold.

No but the buyer seems more motivated.

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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2201080)

Sorry for the snark. I get the feeling that some of the "QOLers" on here have zero problem throwing the deadzoners under the bus so they don't have to get a doctor's note.

No.

Problem.

It's no big deal, most of us are somewhat frustrated. I fully understand the deadzone guys got the shaft on more then one occasion. I think the south guys saw the worst of it. Whether it was B scale, RJs, furlough or long term stagnation, they were shafted. The problem is the process involved in these issues began with management but were eventually implemented because of pilots senior to them. It's a circle, the senior sellout the junior guys and this process continues perpetually. A ****** circle, if you will.

This mindset is changing within a large number of senior pilots. They have been crapped on by senior guys for a good part of their careers but many are fed up with this concept and are simply not going to accept it this time around. There is no better time to break the circle then the present and many are displaying an extreme level of integrity.

I applaud their sacrifice and in return I will not sell out the junior folks for the duration of my career.

How many years do you have left D Mantooth? Just curious because my calculator and math don't seem to work the same as yours.

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Originally Posted by Viking busdvr (Post 2201007)

You think it's not??

That's actually what I'm starting to wonder...

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Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2201021)

I think the point most people are trying to make is that pay rates are going to be the same across UAL, AA, DL etc. within a few percent always. If we throw profit sharing into pay rates now next contract they'll look at us and completely forget we gave up profit sharing and compare our rates to our so called peers. You don't agree? For example are we now allowed much higher pay rates than UAL because we rolled profit sharing into pay in 2012? You may say they patterned of our rates, which included 2012 profit sharing rolled in, to get their current rates. That's possible but AA hasn't had profit sharing until recently but has relatively the same pay rates as we do.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! Step right up sir and claim your prize.

Has your compensation improved more over the last 3 years by 3% cola bumps or % gains in profit sharing? How about this year?

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Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 2200984)

Got this off Chit Chat. This is funny
"I sure hope they show up for picketing in a visible gesture of support for the adopted MEC strategy.

Surely with all the emails and phone calls of support -- the MC/MEC/LECs claim exist -- they ought to be able to contact them quickly and easily fill the picketing lines to capacity.

Maybe they'll even carry signs:

"I ❤️ VEBA"
"No base like a virtual base"
"Sick Leave is for criminals"
"More power to the schedulers"
"MGT has needs too!"

Good luck from the inconsequential vocal/active minority!"
RH

Hee hee hee!!! Best signs ever! Where can I get mine?

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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2201096)

Right on cue, MR Selfish in the flesh.

No stud. I have my pushbutton issues as well. And my pushbutton issues are ones that will keep YOU from being screwed. But you don't GAS about that do you? You aren't even remotely interested in compromise. It's your way or the highway. I am not that selfish.

Of course I'm selfish, I've already admitted that in past comments. But so are you so stop calling everyone else selfish. It's hypocritical. Just like when you blithely told someone they should have planned better for their retirement, and are now *****ing about getting more money for your retirement. What exactly do you find confusing about that?

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Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 2201059)

They just don't get it. We won't sell our QOL for a few bucks.

Not picking on you. Your post just happened to be the most recent with this theme.

What if the survey indicated we want money over all else? What if the "QOL" items aren't as important to us as the compensation items?

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Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 2201139)

It will always be a "what if," because the mere peasants don't get to see the polling info.

What if you worked for an employer that honored their deals and appreciated their employees for rescuing the business?

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Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2201021)

Yes. I think everyone here gets it but that Mantooth dude.