Originally Posted by TAprocon

Look. You're afraid for some reason of the actual information being put out. That's fine. Your agenda is showing

If you can show an inaccuracy in any data on the site, it will be updated ASAP. Otherwise we are just talking past each other.

You are absolutely right, the current language says they can withhold a trip that has been designated for OE. There is no limit on how many trips they can designate for OE. <---those are facts

The TA has it's own set of facts, which are different from the current language. If you don't like it fine. The TA language is there for anyone to compare it. All the graphic does is translate the legalese into a digestible format.

OE trip removal is actually listed in the Subjective column because it's up to YOU to determine what you think about it. It is simply listed to highlight that the TA contains a change:

Delta TA Pro/Con

Here's the full Section 23 language if you want to read if yourself. Or you could just keep warbling about a sales job that doesn't exist:

http://www.taprocon.com/source-docs/Section-23

Originally Posted by 404yxl

Beware, the sales job has started.

All you have to do is look at this Yes pusher about how trips currently designated for OE have to actually be be designated for OE. You know, those notes the OE scheduler puts on the trip when they are planning on using it for a pilot finishing training.

He plays it off as there are no limits. Hey, Einstein, the company doesn't mark a Line Check airman trips for OE unless they intend to use it. They can't mark 100 trips for OE when they only have enough new hires that month for 50.

This proNOTcon website has already failed before it even got going.

Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta

It's funny that one side always thinks they have the high ground. It's impossible for both sides to embellish and lie, right?

Originally Posted by JamesBond

DPA meeting let out early tonight?

Originally Posted by TAprocon

Isn't this special?

Check out NN 16-18 on page 7. The graphic is simply pulling from data that is available to you. We went over this on the other thread. This is the excerpt:

Rotations Withheld from PBS Award When Designated for OE/TOE
Currently, the PWA allows the Company to remove from open time a rotation that has been designated for OE at any time on or after the 25th of the month prior to the month in which the rotation is scheduled to operate. There is no specified meaning of the term “designated for OE,” nor is there a limit to the number of rotations that may be so removed. The TA provides bookends for both of these parameters, in exchange for moving up the date on which such removals may occur.

And the link for the A.P. students: See page 7

If you choose not to read the information available to you that is your choice

Originally Posted by 404yxl

It is sad. Especially since it is coming from our Bargaining Agent who we pay money to bargain for us.

Just look at the typical Yes at any cost person below. Typical you are DPA so you are discredited junk. Since I am not, nor ever been a DPA member, it is classic that is all he ever responds to facts with. ALPA is the only collective bargaining agent I have and they are doing a terrible job presenting the cons right now.




Pure lie. Keep up your sales job. You have been discredited the moment you started on here. You are worse than the DPA pilots that make something up because you actually are representing us, just with lies and deceit.

Originally Posted by newKnow

Why can't you guys just debate the issues, instead of making it personal?

APC used to be a place to come to find out what was and what wasn't. Even the battles between Carl, Sailing, and TSquare were informative, because they were based on something other than name calling and insults.


It would be great to come on here and just list what you do, or don't like about the information that is coming out about the TA and let people comment, or even correct.


Otherwise, this place just becomes a waste of time for the people who would come here to contribute, or even learn something.

Originally Posted by TAprocon

Thanks newK

That is the intent. Every post here has been backed up with black and white language, along with a source where possible

Some find that threatening and that is fine. We all deserve to see the actual language and come to our own conclusions

Originally Posted by 404yxl

Complete lie. Keep it up SalesJob

Originally Posted by Hawaii50

That definitely sounds like a purple reply. Please do keep it up. There are plenty here who come to read and learn. You'll have to climb a wall of insults from the usual suspects I'm sure you know.