Is this for real.
10-22-2016, 08:54 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Any hospital visit for something other than a head cold type problem should be verifiable imo. Cracked ribs, cancer, large laceration, hip replacement etc.... I think that we are all being punished for the actions of a few. It's more the tone that makes me mad. I've called in sick twice in 2 years, so I wouldn't be impacted by this, but I'm worried about the constant grabs for our work rules. It really is a long term outlook that worries me.
Its ridiculous that the above examples are not verifiable
Its ridiculous that the above examples are not verifiable
But, come on, 100 hours unverified....I've never used 100 hours in my 20 years doing this. We were fine with no verification prior to C12.
10-22-2016, 08:59 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Ferd! Looks like you are about to get senior out there! 
I may not have to suffer another summer on reserve!!Guess us old heads only come back for contract votes.....did 80 educate the FNGs on the shocker?
10-22-2016, 09:05 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Any hospital visit for something other than a head cold type problem should be verifiable imo. Cracked ribs, cancer, large laceration, hip replacement etc.... I think that we are all being punished for the actions of a few. It's more the tone that makes me mad. I've called in sick twice in 2 years, so I wouldn't be impacted by this, but I'm worried about the constant grabs for our work rules. It really is a long term outlook that worries me.
Its ridiculous that the above examples are not verifiable
Its ridiculous that the above examples are not verifiable
Section 14. F. 6. a.
A pilot who....provides a doctor’s certificate at his expense verifying a sick occurrence for which he has used at least 100 hours of sick leave may, upon his request, not be considered to have used such sick leave hours for purposes of Section 14 F. 2. and 3., provided the sick occurrence involves:
1) the fracture of a major bone (e.g., hand, shoulder, leg, hip), or
2) an acute condition resulting in an unplanned hospital admission.
...Note two: Section 14 F. b. 2) will not apply to an emergency room visit that does not result in a hospital admission.
10-22-2016, 09:12 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Yeah I was stunned, 15 under me I may not have to suffer another summer on reserve!!
Guess us old heads only come back for contract votes.....did 80 educate the FNGs on the shocker?
I may not have to suffer another summer on reserve!!Guess us old heads only come back for contract votes.....did 80 educate the FNGs on the shocker?
I'm not sure if 80 did, or not. I know he did resurrect the old 80 knots clamp late night show, last night.
As far as this place, I'm getting to be like Captain Mc Cluskey from the Godfather. Sometimes, I just can't stand the aggravation.
10-22-2016, 09:25 AM
#48
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[QUOTE=deadseal;2228922]Any hospital visit for something other than a head cold type problem should be verifiable imo. Cracked ribs, cancer, large laceration, hip replacement etc.... I think that we are all being punished for the actions of a few. It's more the tone that makes me mad. I've called in sick twice in 2 years, so I wouldn't be impacted by this, but I'm worried about the constant grabs for our work rules. It really is a long term outlook that worries me.
Its ridiculous that the above examples are not verifiable[QUOTE]
I don't really disagree with anything you wrote. The question is, is that enough to vote no over? I think it's asinine, but I can live with it.
Its ridiculous that the above examples are not verifiable[QUOTE]
I don't really disagree with anything you wrote. The question is, is that enough to vote no over? I think it's asinine, but I can live with it.
10-22-2016, 09:26 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Some of those things are verifiable. Here's the new language:
Look I get that there would be a huge negative consequence for voting this down, but do we negotiate with terrorists? Or do we show that they can go pound sand before they get to keep chipping away at our rules. It's the big picture tone that worries me. And IMO if you have more than 10 years, this precedent of giving away work rules to basically match the industry is not good. I have yet to see a viable argument to do so. Ok enough typing on an iPhone for one day
10-22-2016, 09:43 AM
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What follows is strictly my opinion:
The sick leave changes are an overall negative. I like the current ability to verify what I decide to verify.
But some who advocate a no vote are blowing this way out of proportion. Is it a pain to verify a cold after the fact - absolutely, but that's about it - a PITA. Do the good items in the TA outweigh the bad? In my opinion, yes and its not even close.
I am coming off of using TRICARE and a far bigger concern of mine is how bad our medical coverage options actually are. It basically seems like catastrophic coverage to me, but I never see anyone raising this issue. Our medical coverage options are far more important than our proposed sick leave policy, which is a negative by the way - just not the crisis many are portraying it as.
Scoop
The sick leave changes are an overall negative. I like the current ability to verify what I decide to verify.
But some who advocate a no vote are blowing this way out of proportion. Is it a pain to verify a cold after the fact - absolutely, but that's about it - a PITA. Do the good items in the TA outweigh the bad? In my opinion, yes and its not even close.
I am coming off of using TRICARE and a far bigger concern of mine is how bad our medical coverage options actually are. It basically seems like catastrophic coverage to me, but I never see anyone raising this issue. Our medical coverage options are far more important than our proposed sick leave policy, which is a negative by the way - just not the crisis many are portraying it as.
Scoop
Last edited by Scoop; 10-22-2016 at 10:03 AM.
