Unhappy American Pilots to Push Union Switch
10-25-2016 | 07:27 AM
#11
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Guys, it's about time. All I can say is that, yes while our pay may have been temporarily higher than others, our work rules have always lagged behind UAL and DAL. APA has long been broken beyond repair and management long ago figured out how to take advantage of that - starting with the B scale sellout in the '80s.
To the United pilot who commented above (Probe) - you couldn't be more mistaken. Had AA pilots been ALPA, we wouldn't have taken it in the shorts all these years, and especially this last JCBA where we are still working under BK work rules while the company is taking in billions.
Here's how bad AA plays APA: we asked for significant work rule improvements for our JCBA and were told they couldn't afford it. Then, Kirby leaves AA for UA and management slips him a cool $13 million just to pacify him. That $13 million could have gone towards our non existent hotel language or our non existent min calendar day.
Bottom line is that APA gets played like a fiddle every contract cycle. We have NEVER had a true industry leading contract.
It's time for ALPA. Our joining would not only greatly strengthen ALPA, but dues would probably also come down, and there would be one more legacy pilot group joined in membership off of which to pattern bargain from.
The world's largest airline pilot group should not be represented by a broken, ineffective in house boys club. We need a global and powerful union.
Bring it on.
To the United pilot who commented above (Probe) - you couldn't be more mistaken. Had AA pilots been ALPA, we wouldn't have taken it in the shorts all these years, and especially this last JCBA where we are still working under BK work rules while the company is taking in billions.
Here's how bad AA plays APA: we asked for significant work rule improvements for our JCBA and were told they couldn't afford it. Then, Kirby leaves AA for UA and management slips him a cool $13 million just to pacify him. That $13 million could have gone towards our non existent hotel language or our non existent min calendar day.
Bottom line is that APA gets played like a fiddle every contract cycle. We have NEVER had a true industry leading contract.
It's time for ALPA. Our joining would not only greatly strengthen ALPA, but dues would probably also come down, and there would be one more legacy pilot group joined in membership off of which to pattern bargain from.
The world's largest airline pilot group should not be represented by a broken, ineffective in house boys club. We need a global and powerful union.
Bring it on.
*Standing ovation*
Well said!
10-25-2016 | 07:31 AM
#12
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More political offices to be filled by wanna be managers. National is broken, expensive and a club as well. The only way to get a retirement at an ALPA represented carrier is to work for ALPA.
Oops, did I just think that or type that? Doh!
Incoming!!! Heads down.
Oops, did I just think that or type that? Doh!
Incoming!!! Heads down.
10-25-2016 | 07:41 AM
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10-25-2016 | 08:52 AM
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Absolutely true. And AA coming back to ALPA can only help the profession, as ALPA will become that much stronger.
10-25-2016 | 09:57 AM
#17
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Undecided, and I have an active DPA card. That should give you fodder for awhile. My concerns about the TA are mostly how this sets us up for future negotiations and company planned outsourcing. My heartburn with ALPA spans 3 airlines and 20 yrs. It is dysfunctional. We are lucky we saw the dysfunction as a group last year.
Teamsters, DPA2 minus the drama, something has to be viable.
Teamsters, DPA2 minus the drama, something has to be viable.
10-25-2016 | 10:38 AM
#19
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Whoever can do that will be a hero to all airline pilots.
Way too much of our dues money goes to lawyers and useless bureaucrats.
We need to starve the beast.
Lower our dues to 1% and make ALPA National live with it.
10-25-2016 | 10:39 AM
#20
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The monster up in Herndon needs to be brought under control.
Whoever can do that will be a hero to all airline pilots.
Way too much of our dues money goes to lawyers and useless bureaucrats.
We need to starve the beast.
Lower our dues to 1% and make ALPA National live with it.
Whoever can do that will be a hero to all airline pilots.
Way too much of our dues money goes to lawyers and useless bureaucrats.
We need to starve the beast.
Lower our dues to 1% and make ALPA National live with it.
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