Originally Posted by gloopy

Nah. All that would end up doing long term is diverting money to higher cost bases. And pilots would still commute. And still live in approach light trailer parks :roll eyes:

Sometimes you just have to spend money to make money.

Originally Posted by notEnuf

I don't think its the right thing to do but it would make seniority in NYC more "traditional." My point is the bloat in Herndon. There needs to be a blood letting, this union is way to top heavy. No more pensions is a good start. This just reeks of hypocrisy.

What's good for the goose...

Originally Posted by qball

Maybe their pensions (or lack thereof) should be exactly what it would be at their respective airline.

Originally Posted by qball

Maybe their pensions (or lack thereof) should be exactly what it would be at their respective airline.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Motion seconded.

Originally Posted by BobZ

LAX parking lot is home away from home for airline workers
Buffeted by their industry's turbulence, airline employees save money by living part time in a motor home colony at LAX.
July 20, 2009|Dan Weikel

For about 15 days a month, Alaska Airlines pilot Jim Lancaster lives in a motor home in Parking Lot B near the southernmost runway at Los Angeles International Airport.
Every four minutes, a jetliner or turboprop roars in -- 500 feet above his front door -- for a landing. The noise is so loud it forces Lancaster to pause during conversations. But he doesn't mind. Lancaster puts up with the smell of jet fuel and screaming engines to save time and money.
The 60-year-old aviator's primary residence is a cottage he shares with his wife overlooking a quiet bay off Puget Sound in Washington state. Living in Lot B while he's on duty means he doesn't have to rent a Los Angeles apartment with other pilots or spend 12 hours a day commuting to and from the Seattle area.
"As kids we used to ask our parents to take us to the airport to see the planes," Lancaster quipped. "Now I get to live at the airport."

Originally Posted by badflaps

Sooo..... What does it cost to live in NYC?

Originally Posted by gloopy

I'm well aware of the artificially inflated prices in that cesspool of corruption. Funny thing is, we (ALPA) have tons of pilots based there too. And NYC. And LA. And SEA. And BOS. And every other high cost area.

Again, I don't care if some Mad Man's Madison Avenue exec assistant makes a million dollars a year. Good for him/her! Same for 6 figure doormen, bellhops, etc. But ALPA has no business paying general office assistants that until and unless the many many THOUSANDS of air line pilots they represent are making an appropriate amount *more* than that commensurate with their training, responsibilities, liabilities and skill set. That's right up there with $80K oil paintings.

And even if that is simply what the location commands (it's not...don't tell me every entry level clerical job there makes that, and if they don't they walk...and we all know how drastically distorted "average/medium stats can be) then those positions should first be offered to ALPA members.

Right now there is, in general, pretty good advancement opportunities in the industry. That will change at some point, and until very recently it wasn't the case at all. Until the latest wave, we had many thousands of career FO's and even ALPA pilots furloughed for years. All that time, Herndon* was living in an entire different reality, including the issue in question.



*this doesn't mean DPA/IBT or anyone else wouldn't be just as detached; odds are in due time they all would be but that's not the point.

Originally Posted by qball

Maybe their pensions (or lack thereof) should be exactly what it would be at their respective airline.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

....It seems that if the plans are sound they are like Herpes and DPA.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

Who knows? 85% of the pilots based there live elsewhere.