Yes/No TA Perspective
10-27-2016 | 11:51 AM
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I think a lot of the No voters are looking at this deal and comparing it to what used to be. I can appreciate their desire to have their pension back, that is not the reality in which we currently exist.
The environment that we negotiate in (RLA) is designed to protect companies, not us. When times are good we will only be allowed to negotiate to what our peers have not matter the profitability of the company. When times are bad we are forced to negotiate to the financial position of the company no matter what are peers are doing. It's a rigged system that makes it pretty much impossible to "win".
This deal is a fair deal. No one is jumping up and down saying we won, but I'd rather hang my hat on this one and see this thing turn into a (insert regional airline here) 5-6 year process where you are guaranteed to lose.
The environment that we negotiate in (RLA) is designed to protect companies, not us. When times are good we will only be allowed to negotiate to what our peers have not matter the profitability of the company. When times are bad we are forced to negotiate to the financial position of the company no matter what are peers are doing. It's a rigged system that makes it pretty much impossible to "win".
This deal is a fair deal. No one is jumping up and down saying we won, but I'd rather hang my hat on this one and see this thing turn into a (insert regional airline here) 5-6 year process where you are guaranteed to lose.
10-27-2016 | 11:57 AM
#22
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I don't do chit chat but I see a lot of posts decrying the toxic nature of that place, presumably attributed to the "no crowd".
Take a look at Elliot's little master piece. A bunch of false bravado and own crank stomping. The civil thing to do would be to apologize to Free Bird, but I'll bet he doesn't because that's not in his DNA.
Take a look at Elliot's little master piece. A bunch of false bravado and own crank stomping. The civil thing to do would be to apologize to Free Bird, but I'll bet he doesn't because that's not in his DNA.
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10-27-2016 | 12:31 PM
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After quite a few posts here recently, I have come to one general thought on the differences between the yes and the no voters.
No voters and the ones leaning that way look at this TA and compare it to what they think we should have and see a minus. Yes voters and the ones leaning that way look at this TA and compare it to what we currently have and see a plus.
IMO, when considering the pros and cons of this TA, one should be comparing it to what we currently have. Not an esoteric version of what should be.
Denny
No voters and the ones leaning that way look at this TA and compare it to what they think we should have and see a minus. Yes voters and the ones leaning that way look at this TA and compare it to what we currently have and see a plus.
IMO, when considering the pros and cons of this TA, one should be comparing it to what we currently have. Not an esoteric version of what should be.
Denny
The Yes voters are comparing this TA to the last TA.
10-27-2016 | 12:34 PM
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It's over simplistic IMO to do either. I look at both our current contract as well as the failed TA. This is significantly superior to our current contract and magnitudes of that better than the failed TA.
10-27-2016 | 01:03 PM
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10-27-2016 | 01:06 PM
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10-27-2016 | 01:51 PM
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Well, it's all about you isn't it.
Lets pretend that from one year to the next Delta were to do the same amount of flying with the same number of airplanes. Pass this TA and it will require fewer pilots to do the same amount of flying. I would love to see the math on this if I'm wrong.
Every contract since BK we have given productivity concessions. C2012 cost us something like 250 jobs, no idea on this one. Again, show me that this TA will not cost us jobs with VB, WB ALV increase etc.
BTW, is the whole Princess thing necessary? You have no idea what I've been through. But I'm sure it makes you feel better so...........
Lets pretend that from one year to the next Delta were to do the same amount of flying with the same number of airplanes. Pass this TA and it will require fewer pilots to do the same amount of flying. I would love to see the math on this if I'm wrong.
Every contract since BK we have given productivity concessions. C2012 cost us something like 250 jobs, no idea on this one. Again, show me that this TA will not cost us jobs with VB, WB ALV increase etc.
BTW, is the whole Princess thing necessary? You have no idea what I've been through. But I'm sure it makes you feel better so...........
10-27-2016 | 01:56 PM
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