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Old 10-27-2016 | 02:00 PM
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Any ALPA-produced slide or graphic will always be labeled propaganda. It's as useless as an outhouse in a hurricane to the no crowd.
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Old 10-27-2016 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Of course those that benefit from the QOL gain of the VB might get screwed, but their QOL doesn't matter as much as someone not hired I guess
True. Depends on your perspective.
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Old 10-27-2016 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Below is the slide from the roadshow.
IIRC, when they had that slide up today, the Neg Comm Chairman said something to the effect of "If our current contract requires 10,000 pilots to do all the flying for this year, then under this agreement it will require 9,992 pilots for 2017, 9,992 pilots for 2018 and 10,014 pilots for 2019. The change in 2019 is due to the additional bump in vacation value. This is why we characterize this deal as staffing neutral."

Not a direct quote, but I'm darn close.
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Old 10-27-2016 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Of course those that benefit from the QOL gain of the VB might get screwed, but their QOL doesn't matter as much as someone not hired I guess
I think that's partly TIC?

The real question is whether the group benefits, both those that take the VB/TDY, and those that stay in base. TDY in particular seems like a tool to adjust staffing between bases, almost in real time.

There is a ton here that needs to be looked at, carefully. I think we owe it to the people that want these to experiment with this, just as I think we owe it to all existing pilots to evaluate the pros and cons.

I have a hunch that this will reduce credit, and probably reduce average trip length.
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Old 10-27-2016 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Looking at the above slide, if VB and TDY are discontinued (they are on a test basis) that would add 141 jobs back into the mix.
I think you're reading it wrong. I think it would only add 47 jobs. It would be the same 47 jobs for 3 years, not 47 more jobs every year.
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Old 10-27-2016 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
True. Depends on your perspective.
That's just one example of how throwing the QOL card is a desperate play.
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Old 10-27-2016 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I think that's partly TIC?

The real question is whether the group benefits, both those that take the VB/TDY, and those that stay in base. TDY in particular seems like a tool to adjust staffing between bases, almost in real time.

There is a ton here that needs to be looked at, carefully. I think we owe it to the people that want these to experiment with this, just as I think we owe it to all existing pilots to evaluate the pros and cons.

I have a hunch that this will reduce credit, and probably reduce average trip length.
Probably. You'll need a micrometer to see it, and I highly doubt that even if you could you could prove it.

Besides, isn't working less for the same or more money a QOL improvement?
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Old 10-27-2016 | 02:23 PM
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Not sure how the second parapgraph relates to the first, James.
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Old 10-27-2016 | 02:56 PM
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The one thing I'm not seeing in that slide is the impact of the JV Scope change... Does this mean it has no impact on manning? I would think it does...

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Old 10-27-2016 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
I think you're reading it wrong. I think it would only add 47 jobs. It would be the same 47 jobs for 3 years, not 47 more jobs every year.
Maybe. But they said it was a net -2 jobs for the entire TA which is the last line added horizontally.
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