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FL370esq 11-07-2016 01:22 PM

SWA solidly passes their TA2
 
84.3% yes with 96% participation. Not seeing ours as passing by that wide of a margin.

JamesBond 11-07-2016 03:54 PM

Did they raise the bar in any way?

Hank Kingsley 11-07-2016 04:17 PM

We'll be over 80%. This isn't one of those contracts where guys will claim to vote no to their buddies. The contract doesn't have that fish smell. My opinion.

PropPiedmont 11-07-2016 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2239643)
Did they raise the bar in any way?

Nope.......

Tanker1497 11-07-2016 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2239643)
Did they raise the bar in any way?

You're a funny man...

flyguy81 11-07-2016 05:38 PM

Until DL saw SWA's TA rates and bested it, yes. SWA still has better rigs and medical benefits. I'm sure when AA comes up they'll top DL/UA. Only reason UAL is above SWA now is if the DL passes and their me too goes into effect.

Smokey23 11-07-2016 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2239643)
Did they raise the bar in any way?

No...no we did not. We made significant gains over that abortion of a TA from last year, but raise the bar? Nope.* We'll lead the industry on NB rates right up until...well...when does your vote close? Then we fall much farther behind until 2020 (and only Mr Gary Kelly knows how much further beyond that before we see another TA.) This in spite of holding a royal flush (the 737 Max & Section 1) going into the best negotiating environment most of us will ever see in our careers. As one of the 16%ers, I apologize for the 84% of my peers who, while now members of the Big 4 Airline Club, still apparently feel they don't deserve Big 4 Airline compensation, retirement, long-term disability bennies, and on and on.... :mad:

Expect to see a LOT more fSWA pilots in your new-hire classes. I'm not sure how we will continue to fill ours in the not-so-distant future! :(

* The ONLY part of our TA that could be construed as industry-leading, was retro pay. Even I consider it "Full" retro back to 2012, and we will also receive retro pay for lost 401k match and Profit Sharing for that time. In addition, this retro is paid out to anyone who "turned a wheel" as a SWA (or fATN) pilot from 2012 to present....whether they are still here or not. Yes, this applies to retired, terminated, resigned, deceased, or Mil-leave pilots. I think that may be unprecedented for the industry. So we got that one going for us....

JamesBond 11-07-2016 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Tanker1497 (Post 2239683)
You're a funny man...

What's so funny about that?

Tanker1497 11-07-2016 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2239747)
What's so funny about that?

How high the bar already was!

RonRicco 11-08-2016 02:07 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 2239684)
Until DL saw SWA's TA rates and bested it, yes. SWA still has better rigs and medical benefits. I'm sure when AA comes up they'll top DL/UA. Only reason UAL is above SWA now is if the DL passes and their me too goes into effect.

Delta's offer (16.5%) was already higher than SWA's TA.


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