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tunes 11-08-2016 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2239847)
+1.

80%+ is IMO a guarantee.

I'm guessing it might hit the 90s

you also thought TA15 was a slam dunk so there's that. Not everyone chases the money like you. I think this passes by a large margin but I'd be really surprised if it was over 75%

e6bpilot 11-08-2016 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by 300SMK (Post 2240048)
Did SWA hold the line on scope?


SWAPA sold limited scope for international feed and inter Alaska. They also sold very very limited (basically a 777 a day) of Atlantic and Pacific flying. SWAPA also hold the keys to decide whether the company can do any sort of outsourcing to any government owned entities. While they didn't "hold the line", they did a good job of ensuring that no flying that could be done by SWA pilots is being done by someone else.

Tanker1497 11-08-2016 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2239905)
So, just so I understand. I asked if they raised the bar, and you think that "funny". Sarcastically (I'm sure) you note how "high" the bar is and I assume it is because of our TA (which no doubtedly you dislike). Then you go on to say their contract is solid and this "made it a little better". So why then is ours so bad? We made ours a LOT better, yet you constantly bad mouth our efforts while patting them on the back for basically treading water.



Help a brother out.

Don't your own research and see what their work rules look like. I like parts of our TA, others I don't.

Scoop 11-08-2016 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2240080)
you also thought TA15 was a slam dunk so there's that. Not everyone chases the money like you. I think this passes by a large margin but I'd be really surprised if it was over 75%


What exactly does it mean to "chase the money?" And why is chasing money bad?

I am at 17 years and have always bid to maximize my seniority - thus I am still 737B along with new hires that I mentor. I forgo pay rates for QOL but try to make it up occassionally with Greenslips - Am I chasing
the money?

What about the new hire that bids the ER and then complains about QOL when he cant drop a trip - is he chasing the money?

Since when did chasing money become a bad thing?

FWIW - I was a solid No on the first TA and a solid yes on Ver 2.0 :)

Scoop

flyguy81 11-08-2016 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2239966)
You think we can get rid of JVs? We could work for free and they wouldn't go away. You are delusional if you believe otherwise.

No they're not going away. That's not getting back into Pandora's box. There's a reason UAL has nearly double the widebody pilots....minimal JV's.

notEnuf 11-08-2016 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 2240150)
No they're not going away. That's not getting back into Pandora's box. There's a reason UAL has nearly double the widebody pilots....minimal JV's.

If you can't beat 'em, profit share from 'em.

Full disclosure of PTIX accounting and a public profit sharing audit is a must.

tunes 11-08-2016 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2240141)
What exactly does it mean to "chase the money?" And why is chasing money bad?

I am at 17 years and have always bid to maximize my seniority - thus I am still 737B along with new hires that I mentor. I forgo pay rates for QOL but try to make it up occassionally with Greenslips - Am I chasing
the money?

What about the new hire that bids the ER and then complains about QOL when he cant drop a trip - is he chasing the money?

Since when did chasing money become a bad thing?

FWIW - I was a solid No on the first TA and a solid yes on Ver 2.0 :)

Scoop

because his spiel is always pay rates and he doesnt care about anything else. not saying it's a bad thing at all, just saying that his 90% is unrealistic because people look at things other than pay rates.

Hank Kingsley 11-08-2016 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2240141)
What exactly does it mean to "chase the money?" And why is chasing money bad?

I am at 17 years and have always bid to maximize my seniority - thus I am still 737B along with new hires that I mentor. I forgo pay rates for QOL but try to make it up occassionally with Greenslips - Am I chasing
the money?

What about the new hire that bids the ER and then complains about QOL when he cant drop a trip - is he chasing the money?

Since when did chasing money become a bad thing?

FWIW - I was a solid No on the first TA and a solid yes on Ver 2.0 :)

Scoop

For you guys not flying for money, there are numerous jobs flying supplies to missions in Africa. This isn't the salt mines and it's not a perfect contract either. But it's nearly the best we will see. No one is going to let us close down the world's busiest airport and management knows it.

notEnuf 11-08-2016 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2240213)
For you guys not flying for money, there are numerous jobs flying supplies to missions in Africa. This isn't the salt mines and it's not a perfect contract either. But it's nearly the best we will see. No one is going to let us close down the world's busiest airport and management knows it.

The money isn't the only thing in the TA that holds importance. We all do it for the money. Some want to work less or control their schedule more. A little disingenuous, I think.

Check Essential 11-08-2016 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2240213)
No one is going to let us close down the world's busiest airport and management knows it.

Management and ALPA both know it. Although neither will admit it.
The Railway Labor Act serves their interests.
Employees... not so much.


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