International Upgrades?
12-11-2016, 12:35 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
It cracks me up when I hear us complain about full airplanes and difficulty nonreving. That's like a car lot sales manager complaining that he can't drive a new car home off the lot because he's all sold out of cars. Funny stuff.
12-12-2016, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Piklepausepull
Again, sorry for spouting off but I'm really tired of the new "rules" and reasons for non revs to always get hosed.
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There is only ONE reason non-revs get hosed. BECAUSE THEY ARE NON-REVENUE. Anybody, who is ACTUALLY PAYING for transport will ALWAYS be ahead of NON-REVs. The rules for them are spelled out succinctly. And if a flight is oversold in coach, and if Delta One has vacancy, the agents are REQUIRED to upgrade confirmed pax in order of ticket price paid until there are enough seats for all REVENUE pax. If there are still seats left after that, you might get one. Maybe. But flashing the "I'm entitled attitude" will likely be unsuccessful in gaining passage.
Bidness is bidness.
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12-12-2016, 05:15 PM
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If anything, I think Delta should expand the "fly confirmed for less" program and provide an option to purchase tickets at 25% off what the lowest available fare is at that moment. I think you'd see quite a bit of people take advantage of that.
12-12-2016, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
If anything, I think Delta should expand the "fly confirmed for less" program and provide an option to purchase tickets at 25% off what the lowest available fare is at that moment. I think you'd see quite a bit of people take advantage of that.
12-12-2016, 05:53 PM
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Long ago, FC seats were considered so valuable that nobody was upgraded unless they paid the full FC fare. That usually meant space for some non-revs, if they were properly dressed (coat & tie for men).
Then the bean-counters saw a way to squeeze out a few more dollars, and FC began to fill up.
Then the bean-counters saw a way to squeeze out a few more dollars, and FC began to fill up.
12-12-2016, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Long ago, FC seats were considered so valuable that nobody was upgraded unless they paid the full FC fare. That usually meant space for some non-revs, if they were properly dressed (coat & tie for men).
Then the bean-counters saw a way to squeeze out a few more dollars, and FC began to fill up.
Then the bean-counters saw a way to squeeze out a few more dollars, and FC began to fill up.
12-13-2016, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
The amount of first/business class seats has increased a bit over the years but what's really changed is the number of first/business class seats available. For example on the international side the 777 used to have 50 and now has 37. A 767-300ER used to have 36 and now in many cases has 25.
That is only part of it.
Tim Mapes (and his crew) had an epiphany about 2 1/2 years ago. They "discovered" that it was simply bad business practice to GIVE AWAY our most premium seats. Changes were made to FF redemption rules to align upgrade likelyhood with fare price paid, making it almost impossible to get an upgrade if you were on a cheap ticket. This was to eventually "train" the HVCs into buying more expensive tickets.
The result--- In the middle of 2014, fewer than 10% of our first class pax had paid first class tickets. By Spring of this year, 60% of first class seats pax had paid first class tickets. Goal is 70% of occupants in first class should have first class tickets.
What a concept!
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12-13-2016, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
The amount of first/business class seats has increased a bit over the years but what's really changed is the number of first/business class seats available. For example on the international side the 777 used to have 50 and now has 37. A 767-300ER used to have 36 and now in many cases has 25.
That is our current strategy and our high operating margins suggest that it is a winning strategy. United has taken the opposite approach. Stuff the plane full of business class seats.
This is UAL's new 777-300 seat map. It will debut in Feb 2017. That's a ton of business class!
One of us will be proven correct in a few years.
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12-14-2016, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
The 20% max discount limit actually comes from 26 CFR 1.132-3 of the Internal Revenue Code. Under that provision, the company is required to include any portion greater than 20% in your gross income. Not saying it can't be done but most companies opt for the easy way out and limit employee discounts to 20%.
12-14-2016, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by KnotSoFast
That is our current strategy and our high operating margins suggest that it is a winning strategy. United has taken the opposite approach. Stuff the plane full of business class seats.
This is UAL's new 777-300 seat map. It will debut in Feb 2017. That's a ton of business class!
One of us will be proven correct in a few years.
(source: https://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/20...ircle-of-hell/ )
This is UAL's new 777-300 seat map. It will debut in Feb 2017. That's a ton of business class!
One of us will be proven correct in a few years.
(source: https://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/20...ircle-of-hell/ )
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