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Old 01-28-2017 | 07:18 AM
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You might need something to get over your chronic grumpiness. Just worry about your Council and you'll be alright.
don't worry, I'm doing my part to ensure Worrall doesn't get back in.
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Old 01-28-2017 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Overwhelming majority. 70%+

What Johnson and Kern did to 44 with their MEC executive votes is akin to walking right into the heart of Ohio State's campus and planting a Michigan flag.

Kern nominated someone moderate for a MEC position then voted for a strong 12er. Is is normal to not vote for someone you nominated?
Let''s say you're right and 70% of ATL pilots preferred Malone. Even if that's the case (and it might not be), why do you think 100% of the reps should have voted form him?

What about the 30-40% of ATL pilots who wanted Bartells?
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Old 01-28-2017 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Let''s say you're right and 70% of ATL pilots preferred Malone. Even if that's the case (and it might not be), why do you think 100% of the reps should have voted form him?

What about the 30-40% of ATL pilots who wanted Bartells?
He only thinks of himself. He doesn't understand that everyone has different wants/needs. Personally if I told my rep I wanted BB and they voted for JM I'd feel like he doesn't represent my beliefs but I wouldn't take it to a recall. They have the whole picture.
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Old 01-28-2017 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Let''s say you're right and 70% of ATL pilots preferred Malone. Even if that's the case (and it might not be), why do you think 100% of the reps should have voted form him?

What about the 30-40% of ATL pilots who wanted Bartells?
If 70% was the case, (likely much higher than that) then a 3-1 vote would have been more reasonable similar to the TA vote. 50/50 vote is rediculous for as much support as JM has in 44.

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He only thinks of himself. He doesn't understand that everyone has different wants/needs. Personally if I told my rep I wanted BB and they voted for JM I'd feel like he doesn't represent my beliefs but I wouldn't take it to a recall. They have the whole picture.
False. You and tunes are like Bert and Ernie. You see one you see the other wherever I post. I expand the team to gather info. Both Capt Reps have stated publically, the feedback they received had OVERWHELMING support for JM.
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Old 01-28-2017 | 08:29 AM
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If 70% was the case, (likely much higher than that) then a 3-1 vote would have been more reasonable similar to the TA vote. 50/50 vote is rediculous for as much support as JM has in 44.
If that's your logic, you should recall just one of the Reps.


What evidence do you have that Malone likely had more support than 70% of ATL pilots?
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Old 01-28-2017 | 08:37 AM
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The sad thing is beyond a moakie power grab this screams "pulling up the ladder" You have Captains, Trip7, who are attempting to recall FO reps. These FO reps are looking out for the younger pilots long term (which should include Trip) but the Captains don't want to rock the boat so they are recalling them. This is my opinion.
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Old 01-28-2017 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
If that's your logic, you should recall just one of the Reps.


What evidence do you have that Malone likely had more support than 70% of ATL pilots?
There is no evidence of specific numbers. The evidence we have is the statement of overwhelming support in feedback received by the Captain reps. Notice how the FO reps don't mention feedback in their decision but more their thought process after "interviewing" JM and BB. Yet in the C44 update prior to the election all CK and JJ stated were give me your input while both SD and SM gave detailed analysis about who they planned to vote for. It's clear that the majority of 44 preferred JM and the FO reps ignored it for their own agenda
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Old 01-28-2017 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
There is no evidence of specific numbers. The evidence we have is the statement of overwhelming support in feedback received by the Captain reps. Notice how the FO reps don't mention feedback in their decision but more their thought process after "interviewing" JM and BB. Yet in the C44 update prior to the election all CK and JJ stated were give me your input while both SD and SM gave detailed analysis about who they planned to vote for. It's clear that the majority of 44 preferred JM and the FO reps ignored it for their own agenda
Do you think perhaps the Captain reps received their feedback from mostly Captains? So 50% of the base. I'm sure the FOs talk to their own reps.
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Old 01-28-2017 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Peoloto
Do you think perhaps the Captain reps received their feedback from mostly Captains? So 50% of the base. I'm sure the FOs talk to their own reps.
Their own reps? Do only FOs vote for FO reps and vice versa for Capts in elections/recalls? You're on quite a streak here with this and your company will unilaterally impose 9:45 post
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Old 01-28-2017 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
There is no evidence of specific numbers. The evidence we have is the statement of overwhelming support in feedback received by the Captain reps. Notice how the FO reps don't mention feedback in their decision but more their thought process after "interviewing" JM and BB. Yet in the C44 update prior to the election all CK and JJ stated were give me your input while both SD and SM gave detailed analysis about who they planned to vote for. It's clear that the majority of 44 preferred JM and the FO reps ignored it for their own agenda
So, why do reps vote and not the pilots?

I always chuckle at pilots who want their reps to lead by taking polls. That's not how leasership works. At least where I come from.
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