Klondike Bear

Sustained...

Wuzatforus

Bailiff, whack his...,

notEnuf

Well, they improved on TA1 by reversing the appeasement tradition and it seems the ones trying to replace them are the original offenders when it comes to acting not in the interest of the members. Just my $.02.

sailingfun

True, the TA barely passed the member ratification in ATL and BB has overwhelming support from the ATL pilots. There are also of course the FO's reps own letters on the subjects.

sailingfun

However they were actively working against the TA you seem to like.

Check Essential

Johnson and Kern must be doing something right if the pro-management pilots are upset.

Check Essential

Interesting you would say that vote showed a lack of integrity.

That MEC vote for Bartels was a textbook example of one of the oldest arguments in the history of representative democracy.

Should an elected rep function as a "trustee" or as a "delegate"?

Representatives who act as "delegates" simply follow the expressed preferences of their constituents. James Madison was the leading advocate for a delegate conception of representation.

"Trustees" are representatives who follow their own understanding of the best action to pursue. Edmund Burke was the most prominent of the old political philosophers who said that a parliament should be composed of reps who consider all the factors on behalf of their constituents (who may not have the time or inclination to contemplate and debate all the variables) and then use their own intellect and judgment to arrive at the correct solution.

Clearly, Johnson and Kern acted as trustees. I think its undeniably accurate to say that John Malone would have won a popular vote against Bill Bartels among the 4000 ATL pilots.
But our two FO reps exercised their own judgment in deciding that the future of the Delta pilot group would be better served by making a clean break from the past and steering us on a new course.

We'll see if that vote costs them their jobs.
I don't think it should. I think they voted in good faith and I respect them for their courage. That vote is NOT a legitimate reason to remove them from office before the end of their term. I hope the Atlanta pilots will support them and vote AGAINST this recall.

Bradshaw24

No need to go further. ALL words derive their meaning from Greek.



https://youtu.be/VL9whwwTK6I

Valar Morghulis

Numerous reports from those at the meeting that both Martin and DeRosa boasted that Kerns and Johnson would be recalled if they voted for Bartels.

They did, and resolutions were submitted within the hour calling for their recall.

Now, according to the "Maloakies" it's about them not doing their jobs as Reps.

Does anyone seriously believe if they had voted for Malone their would be any recalls?

ERflyer

For what it's worth, I did see people on SM write that they, JJ and CK, would be recalled for not voting to pass TA2 on to Memrat. Just like reps were recalled for passing TA1 on to Memrat. Then there was the JJ vote change. The strong past DPA support - more than just a card. Not responding to C44 members. At least one of them stating that being a rep was a PIA. I almost got the impression (conversations with 44 members and SM) that at least one of them would be happy to be recalled. They did their thing and now with the TA out of the way it's just mundane politics and the day to day contract stuff. The whole martyr thing could be worn with a badge of pride and then, "Thank goodness I'm back on the line. I hated that job." I think some people thrive at being a rep and some don't.

It was much more than just the Chairman vote that led to where they are now. I think the MEC Chairman vote was the final catalyst that changed talk to action.