Upgrading upon reaching 1000 - 121 hours?
08-18-2018, 07:54 AM
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I'd also add, that when you reach 1,000 of 121 SIC time, doesn't really mean that your automatically prepared and ready to upgrade. Good idea to see each season a few times and get a few years under your belt first...I know for sure I wasnt ready to upgrade at 1,000 121 time.....but maybe im just slower than most 
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08-18-2018, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by clueless
CS has only once asked me to do something against the contract and they knew it...I said “that’s against the contract, make it worth my while”...or something to that effect...they said ok 150% on top of guarantee...that was that. No grieving, no Jane...easy peasy
There's three phases of "lets make a deal pilots". 1. Euphoria, they found a way to work the system and it's like a little zip of money or time off in their pocket. 2. Addict, out of control wheeling and dealing, even their schedule is fungible, where they trade up and up and someone notices they're getting honked by a junior pilot or a pilot not using FLICA so they complain 3. Depression and anger, now the company won't make deals and can't figure out why, the job sucks now because the high was really the outside the contract dealing and start a facebook group to work through your anger.
08-18-2018, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
Its outside the contract and if there's a time when this company goes the other way, promises from scheduling aren't always honored by the company, and the union won't get it for you because they can't.
There's three phases of "lets make a deal pilots". 1. Euphoria, they found a way to work the system and it's like a little zip of money or time off in their pocket. 2. Addict, out of control wheeling and dealing, even their schedule is fungible, where they trade up and up and someone notices they're getting honked by a junior pilot or a pilot not using FLICA so they complain 3. Depression and anger, now the company won't make deals and can't figure out why, the job sucks now because the high was really the outside the contract dealing and start a facebook group to work through your anger.
There's three phases of "lets make a deal pilots". 1. Euphoria, they found a way to work the system and it's like a little zip of money or time off in their pocket. 2. Addict, out of control wheeling and dealing, even their schedule is fungible, where they trade up and up and someone notices they're getting honked by a junior pilot or a pilot not using FLICA so they complain 3. Depression and anger, now the company won't make deals and can't figure out why, the job sucks now because the high was really the outside the contract dealing and start a facebook group to work through your anger.
08-19-2018, 02:25 AM
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If you play "Let's make a deal" with scheduling, make sure whatever promises they make are immediately fulfilled. I.e. if they say "we'll give you an extra day off" that the day is removed before you fulfill your end of the bargain or "we'll pay 150%" that the leg is coded 150% before you fly it.
They aren't TRYING to lie to you but once the emergency (filling the trip) is over, they won't remember what they promised you.
As upsidedown noted, if you play "Let's make a deal" with scheduling you'll eventually end up depressed or angry when whatever they've promised you doesn't come through and there's really no recourse against them because your deal was outside the contract.
They aren't TRYING to lie to you but once the emergency (filling the trip) is over, they won't remember what they promised you.
As upsidedown noted, if you play "Let's make a deal" with scheduling you'll eventually end up depressed or angry when whatever they've promised you doesn't come through and there's really no recourse against them because your deal was outside the contract.
08-20-2018, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
If you play "Let's make a deal" with scheduling, make sure whatever promises they make are immediately fulfilled. I.e. if they say "we'll give you an extra day off" that the day is removed before you fulfill your end of the bargain or "we'll pay 150%" that the leg is coded 150% before you fly it.
They aren't TRYING to lie to you but once the emergency (filling the trip) is over, they won't remember what they promised you.
As upsidedown noted, if you play "Let's make a deal" with scheduling you'll eventually end up depressed or angry when whatever they've promised you doesn't come through and there's really no recourse against them because your deal was outside the contract.
They aren't TRYING to lie to you but once the emergency (filling the trip) is over, they won't remember what they promised you.
As upsidedown noted, if you play "Let's make a deal" with scheduling you'll eventually end up depressed or angry when whatever they've promised you doesn't come through and there's really no recourse against them because your deal was outside the contract.
08-20-2018, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FODhopper
Then you have to ask...why are we making deals outside of the contract? We then diminish any power it has.
08-20-2018, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
What you really want to ask him is, do you realize all those deals you do get thrown in the negotiating committees face come contract /loa time? Thankfully it isnt rampant.
I'm saying if you do try to play Let's Make a Deal with scheduling and you don't want to get burned, make sure it's something they can immediately fulfill.
I'd be perfectly fine if scheduling said- It's not in the contract, we can't do anything else. It's not going to hurt me one bit because I don't try to deal with them.
08-20-2018, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I don't play Let's Make a Deal with scheduling. I pretty much come to work, fly my awarded schedule and go home. I'm not advocating guys play Let's Make a Deal with scheduling but I know there are some that do.
I'm saying if you do try to play Let's Make a Deal with scheduling and you don't want to get burned, make sure it's something they can immediately fulfill.
I'd be perfectly fine if scheduling said- It's not in the contract, we can't do anything else. It's not going to hurt me one bit because I don't try to deal with them.
I'm saying if you do try to play Let's Make a Deal with scheduling and you don't want to get burned, make sure it's something they can immediately fulfill.
I'd be perfectly fine if scheduling said- It's not in the contract, we can't do anything else. It's not going to hurt me one bit because I don't try to deal with them.
I follow the contract, I grieve the violations. It's amazing how many there are, flown with numerous FOs lately with a "hey is this legal?" Question and it always turns out the answer is "no". Pass Go Collect $200.
08-20-2018, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I don't play Let's Make a Deal with scheduling. I pretty much come to work, fly my awarded schedule and go home. I'm not advocating guys play Let's Make a Deal with scheduling but I know there are some that do.
I'm saying if you do try to play Let's Make a Deal with scheduling and you don't want to get burned, make sure it's something they can immediately fulfill.
I'd be perfectly fine if scheduling said- It's not in the contract, we can't do anything else. It's not going to hurt me one bit because I don't try to deal with them.
I'm saying if you do try to play Let's Make a Deal with scheduling and you don't want to get burned, make sure it's something they can immediately fulfill.
I'd be perfectly fine if scheduling said- It's not in the contract, we can't do anything else. It's not going to hurt me one bit because I don't try to deal with them.
I've never been asked to do anything out of contract, I've never had to grieve. I just fly my schedule, and as long as I'm home when I'm supposed to be home and paid what I'm supposed to be paid, I'm cool. That being said, I'm not a reserve NYC 900 Captain. So that might change things if I was.
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08-20-2018, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FODhopper
Then you have to ask...why are we making deals outside of the contract? We then diminish any power it has.
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