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Old 08-27-2018, 05:37 AM
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No one got fired for “promoting alpa”.....
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Old 08-27-2018, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21 View Post
They have here for 117 flight time, it's now based on forward movement but they can't change brake release for pay without negotiating with the union because that's defined in our contract.

For Skywest they could change theirs tomorrow and they'd have nothing to do about it. No union. No contract.
Oh God, now you done it. They'll be here any minute defending their pilot student council.

It's getting tougher to do though, I'm sure.
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Old 08-27-2018, 06:54 AM
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No one got fired for “promoting alpa”.....


They found a couple other things to fire him for that happened awhile ago. But he happen to be the guy spearheading things for organizing.


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Old 08-27-2018, 07:02 AM
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They found a couple other things to fire him for that happened awhile ago. But he happen to be the guy spearheading things for organizing.


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That's the risk you take being an organizer, but he would have been treated with kid gloves by HR. Otherwise he'll have his job back shortly. Either someone else steps up or you continue doing what you all signed up for, undercutting other regionals and praying it never bites you.
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:16 AM
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It's pretty tough here with the Utah strength koolaid.

The guy that got fired was on the organizing commitee and the company dredged up things from months ago.

Remember we are an "at will" employer and can be fired for anything or simply nothing.

Our glee club representation is bought and paid for by management, so there's no help there either.
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:32 AM
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It's pretty tough here with the Utah strength koolaid.

The guy that got fired was on the organizing commitee and the company dredged up things from months ago.

Remember we are an "at will" employer and can be fired for anything or simply nothing.

Our glee club representation is bought and paid for by management, so there's no help there either.
Even at a real company fireable offenses often come from acts months in the past management just finds out about.

I've seen guys get fired from at will employment states, and that after one day. The funniest case was telling a guy he was fired, the private lawyer who the pilot retained had his job back with two phone calls. Best part was he was paid to sit at home until the situation was resolved.

I didn't think there would be any help from your student council. I was pretty sure i made that clear, but if not let me do so now. You're effed.
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Complete View Post
It's pretty tough here with the Utah strength koolaid.

The guy that got fired was on the organizing commitee and the company dredged up things from months ago.

Remember we are an "at will" employer and can be fired for anything or simply nothing.

Our glee club representation is bought and paid for by management, so there's no help there either.
That’s the risk you take for being non-union in this business. Skywest had a pretty good reputation for keeping up with the union airlines in the past. In some cases maybe even better. But things change. Heck, it’s not even the same upper management team today. I for one would not take it on faith that they’re going to play nice
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:10 AM
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If they don't want you releasing the brake prior to push then don't be in a huge hurry to release the brake. Do everything by the book.
Lets see what happens to the middle manager who came up with this brilliant idea. When your on time departures fall down with the likes of Frontier I expect this brainchild of an idea will go away.
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21 View Post
They have here for 117 flight time, it's now based on forward movement but they can't change brake release for pay without negotiating with the union because that's defined in our contract.

For Skywest they could change theirs tomorrow and they'd have nothing to do about it. No union. No contract.
OO has the same set up as you for the 117 calculator.
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They found a couple other things to fire him for that happened awhile ago. But he happen to be the guy spearheading things for organizing.


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HR stuff or airplane flying stuff?
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