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Old 08-27-2018, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver02ex View Post
There's going to be a big rise in flights blocking out late if they try this. Once it starts hurting their performance, it will go back to the old ways, IMO
This. Several years ago they went as far as putting out a memo here saying "don't drop the brake until you're ready to push". I believe the on-time performance was below 40% for the three days it took them to rescind the memo. Even if you've got the door closed at D-3, traffic behind you could easily make you late out.

Of course with zero union protection, I suppose it's possible Skywest could fire individual pilots for on-time performance but at some point they can't fire everyone.

With regard to the 6 year guy fired for being on the organizing committee, if you're at a non-union carrier and you're on the organizing committee, you've got to keep your nose clean and follow absolutely all the rules. If you do, it's illegal to fire you for attempting to organize a union, if they haven't crossed their T's and dotted their I's they could easily be sued for that. However oftentimes the easiest way to sue for wrongful termination is through the union, so without a union you've got to go get your own lawyer.

Just one more reason I'm shocked Skywest can fill classes. I guess west coast bases trumps Pay, QOL and union protections.
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Old 08-27-2018, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver02ex View Post
There's going to be a big rise in flights blocking out late if they try this. Once it starts hurting their performance, it will go back to the old ways, IMO

I wouldn’t be so quick to say this. This change is so they can better identify problem areas in the operation.
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Old 08-27-2018, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Complete View Post
I'm with SkyWest, very senior. This is not a slam on any airline or anybody.

We recently got a new requirement that we can't drop the parking brake until we have been cleared to push. For some domiciles there are typically 10 minute delays to push, thus this is a big pay cut. We have no recourse to battle this as we have zilch representation.

My question for this group is this new rule been put to your pilots and what are your union reps able to do about it?

It was reported that your MEC told your management "NO" to what is basically a pay cut? This being said I'm presuming your time begins at parking brake drop?

Just looking for some info to pass along to the SkyWest pilot group.

Again this is not a jab at anybody or any pilot group.

Thanks for any info!
It's slowly cropping up again, but fortunately our contract (its a thing a union and company sign that clearly spells out work rules, requirements, pay, protection) is cut and dry. If they want to enforce this, I'd happily drop the brake at push in exchange for a rig or getting rid of SAT for marketing times.
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Old 08-27-2018, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Swagship View Post
It's slowly cropping up again, but fortunately our contract (its a thing a union and company sign that clearly spells out work rules, requirements, pay, protection) is cut and dry. If they want to enforce this, I'd happily drop the brake at push in exchange for a rig or getting rid of SAT for marketing times.
And when the short the marketing times again (when the SAT language was written) you'll be begging for SAT again.

A rig here would fix a lot.
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Old 08-27-2018, 04:53 AM
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And when the short the marketing times again (when the SAT language was written) you'll be begging for SAT again.

A rig here would fix a lot.
True. Amazing how CS always manages to cut a few minutes off legs and turns to make IROP days legal.

Rigs would fix this and the firebreaks.
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:10 AM
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It surprising company's haven't changed to a system based on aircraft movement as the technology is available .
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Swagship View Post
Rigs would fix this and the firebreaks.
I'd love to get a 2:1 duty rig but I don't know what we have that's valuable enough to trade for it.

Maybe on this training scheduling LOA a better trade would have been a duty rig over an increase in long call percentage.

I've heard the company wants to end in-class recurrent and do it all remote via LMS, maybe that's valuable enough for a rig or another day off for line holders to match reserves.

I want a duty rig but it'll be hard to secure one.
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Swagship View Post
True. Amazing how CS always manages to cut a few minutes off legs and turns to make IROP days legal.

Rigs would fix this and the firebreaks.
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by filejw View Post
It surprising company's haven't changed to a system based on aircraft movement as the technology is available .
They have here for 117 flight time, it's now based on forward movement but they can't change brake release for pay without negotiating with the union because that's defined in our contract.

For Skywest they could change theirs tomorrow and they'd have nothing to do about it. No union. No contract.
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:17 AM
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When you outsource the ramp operation, this is what you get. No matter how hard they try to fix the ramp, if you don't proactively drop the brake, on-time performance will go down the tubes.
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