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Old 08-27-2018 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Complete
I'm with SkyWest, very senior. This is not a slam on any airline or anybody.

We recently got a new requirement that we can't drop the parking brake until we have been cleared to push. For some domiciles there are typically 10 minute delays to push, thus this is a big pay cut. We have no recourse to battle this as we have zilch representation.

My question for this group is this new rule been put to your pilots and what are your union reps able to do about it?

It was reported that your MEC told your management "NO" to what is basically a pay cut? This being said I'm presuming your time begins at parking brake drop?

Just looking for some info to pass along to the SkyWest pilot group.

Again this is not a jab at anybody or any pilot group.

Thanks for any info!
As particular as Delta is about on time performance, I’m kinda shocked Skywest management would do this. On time performance will drop significantly.
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Old 08-27-2018 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonanzer
As particular as Delta is about on time performance, I’m kinda shocked Skywest management would do this. On time performance will drop significantly.
Yeah but skywest managers will fight the delay codes and put it on the ramp. Trust me, if every regional did this (and sacrificed pay) the ramp wouldnt suck. In fact, mainline would probably have to take it over.

You (endeavor) guys may not believe this, but this is gonna be amazing for us. Skywest pilots takes the pay cut to expose the ramp for useless.

For the years of undercutting us, this almost makes up for it, so thank you skywest.
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Old 08-27-2018 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Brody
If they don't want you releasing the brake prior to push then don't be in a huge hurry to release the brake. Do everything by the book.

Lets see what happens to the middle manager who came up with this brilliant idea. When your on time departures fall down with the likes of Frontier I expect this brainchild of an idea will go away.

This isn’t a SkyWest thing. It’s from Delta as it's been our policy for years. Now, does everyone follow it? That’s another story...
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Old 08-27-2018 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonanzer
As particular as Delta is about on time performance, I’m kinda shocked Skywest management would do this. On time performance will drop significantly.
I have yet to see any official memo from OO about this. CheckComplete...can you provide a reference?
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Old 08-27-2018 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
I wouldn’t be so quick to say this. This change is so they can better identify problem areas in the operation.
This is a ridiculous excuse. Delta has reprogrammed the ACARS to see when the wheels are rolling on pushback. They don’t have to pull $$$ out of crewmembers pockets in order to identify the problems. They can already see that. This was purely a cost cutting maneuver.
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Old 08-27-2018 | 11:27 AM
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This is a ridiculous excuse. Delta has reprogrammed the ACARS to see when the wheels are rolling on pushback. They don’t have to pull $$$ out of crewmembers pockets in order to identify the problems. They can already see that. This was purely a cost cutting maneuver.

Interesting...I didn’t know Delta had authority to change the ACARS at SkyWest. This is a change in procedure, not software.
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Old 08-27-2018 | 11:34 AM
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I just hope they don't plan on flying any slower.
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Old 08-27-2018 | 11:37 AM
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Years ago, some beancounter decided to connect the paylog to safety-related items like the parking brake or the rotating beacon. He should have been kicked for this idea.
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Old 08-27-2018 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I just hope they don't plan on flying any slower.

9E uses TLW and tactical CI, right?
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Old 08-27-2018 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
Yeah but skywest managers will fight the delay codes and put it on the ramp. Trust me, if every regional did this (and sacrificed pay) the ramp wouldnt suck. In fact, mainline would probably have to take it over.

You (endeavor) guys may not believe this, but this is gonna be amazing for us. Skywest pilots takes the pay cut to expose the ramp for useless.

For the years of undercutting us, this almost makes up for it, so thank you skywest.
I’m actually Republic, just took interest in this thread. Our policy for brake drop is still communication with ground crew for all codeshares. We had a similar issue a few years back with united changing block out to wheel movement on the push. Fortunately for us it violated our contracts definition of block time so it couldn’t be instituted.
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