theUpsideDown

Being realistic
I dont know what you think the union can push contractually, or negotiating wise but lemme help. Nothing in our contract, and i won't trade a penny for something we used to get for free.

The union can be nice and ask for a change back to the past practice every meeting, and that has worked given enough years. You can reinforce to your reps this should be done

You're employees of the company, not the union. If pilots reading here feel strongly then complain to the company formally. If they disagree or reply without your satisfaction, either elevate it or do what a normal employee does; punch your clock and try to leave for someplace better.

The histrionics of boats and hoes is well known on this thread, to anyone reading this new to the boards, don't follow him. He's not going to back up his words with a single action.

wiggy15

I do agree with what your saying. But it's only been a week since this came out, and the union said they'd work on it. If they hit a deadend, then we can try a new approach. I wasn't aware boats n hoes is a pedantic tool, so I'll just leave him be.

Avroman

with that argument I would say, every regional's well should be poisoned. And for that matter the code shares should probably go as well. Delta pilots are getting a royal shafting from AeroMexico right now.

Avroman

Technically our contract says ANY deadhead of at least 3.5 hours, we are to be listed in first class... (of course the * is there saying this is subject to the mainline partner's pass policy, guess how many majors allow regional crews to be positive space listed into first... none) so guess what that clause in our contract is worth???

theUpsideDown

Firstly that contract ref is worthless with regard the subject being discussed.

It was for the 900 Delta when we did MEM-LAX on a 330 to start a trip doing the west coast LAX triangle of slc and sfo with some sea, abq tossed in for good measure. It's irrelevant and we didn't fight hsrd for it because it was clear we weren't gonna be "west-syde" for a while, in the hizz'ouse.

We're boned, stop pretending otherwise. Shut up and quit, or let the elected reps beg. Im not trading a damn thing for fc or ec/c+.

Avroman

It's worthless language, but not to the subject... It's worthless because of the asterisk. Kind of like so many of our contract clauses that have the "at the company's discretion" tied to it, or except during IROP. Those exceptions make the language basically worthless, just as the requirement to list us in first is worthless as no major allows it for non management level employees... Heck United even DH's IRO's in coach

theUpsideDown

Its worthless because 1. Doesn't pertain to any of our dhds at this company. 2. At the time Pinnacle was looking to sell themselves to 3 different airlines and he trenary was mimicing republic with hopes to learn from their mistakes, the intent of the asterick isnt what you think. 3. Our current predicament isn't something we protected against, and quite frankly 12 momths ago pilots would have said "ill ride in the back to get the pay loa 91 is offering, my fc occasional upgrade doesn't pay my mortgage or stack my retirement.

You're all prisoners of the moment and its gone on long enough.

NotMe

So you’re not going to give me that open FC seat because I’m deadheading in uniform? I’ll list for non-rev, can you hold my hat while I pop off my epaulettes and tie?

ninerdriver

You don't even have to do that anymore if you non-rev. The memo was rescinded; it's not there anymore.

Now that part about non-revving when you have a confirmed seat already... I'll leave that to you.

NotMe

Oh, I would make sure I emailed CS and let them know I don’t need the PS ticket...