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Old 11-18-2018, 11:46 AM
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Please educate yourself on the RLA and then report back here with a factual statement.
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That is because the RLA forbids national unions in the transportation sector. ALPA is a association. Each airline has their own union that ALPA will provide support to within the limits of the RLA.
Coming onto APC with facts? Bold move cotton, lets see how it pays off!
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:29 PM
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Please educate yourself on the RLA and then report back here with a factual statement.
The RLA should have been ALPA's target decades ago as an antiquated set of laws that had little use in the era of deregulation. But the Major/Regional model serve the Majors well as the regionals subsidize the majors' pay. There is no way that ALPA can truly represent a Major and any of that Major's Regionals. It's in total conflict of interest.
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman View Post
The RLA should have been ALPA's target decades ago as an antiquated set of laws that had little use in the era of deregulation. But the Major/Regional model serve the Majors well as the regionals subsidize the majors' pay. There is no way that ALPA can truly represent a Major and any of that Major's Regionals. It's in total conflict of interest.
Did you read anything he wrote?
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:57 PM
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I believe without ALPA we would be much worse off as regional pilots. No contract to keep the company in check. All the regionals would pay the same as to not rock the boat. Just a place to build time. Certainly not a career if need be
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman View Post
The RLA should have been ALPA's target decades ago as an antiquated set of laws that had little use in the era of deregulation. But the Major/Regional model serve the Majors well as the regionals subsidize the majors' pay. There is no way that ALPA can truly represent a Major and any of that Major's Regionals. It's in total conflict of interest.
The problem with targeting the RLA is that you don't know what the legislators would replace it with. It could be worse. Congress typically cares more about the consumer, which is who the RLA protects.
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:18 PM
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It's not in the interest of ALPA to fight the RLA.
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman View Post
The RLA should have been ALPA's target decades ago as an antiquated set of laws that had little use in the era of deregulation. But the Major/Regional model serve the Majors well as the regionals subsidize the majors' pay. There is no way that ALPA can truly represent a Major and any of that Major's Regionals. It's in total conflict of interest.
Wow. Let me guess, you've been here long enough someone has told you, "if you're so smart go volunteer". You did a little, maybe you wanted something bigger to do to change things maybe you didnt, but at some point you brought this stupidity into a conversation with someone smarter than you and they told you that isn't how things work. So you repeat it on here, probably even quit volunteering.

The RLA isnt going anywhere, youve gotta operate inside of it, and so does the company. Your prospective is so jacked you can't see the truth. You took the job when it paid little (although more than most other regional jobs back in those days). Thats the only reason regionals are around. If management talked the pilots into the scope relief, and no one showed up to fly the jets/tprops that would be the end of this nonsense. But you showed up so did everyone here. That isn't the RLA or ALPAs fault.

You took a bet, it didn't pay off. Shucks and you only make 6 figures for your trouble. Better quit and get to doing something else if you can't be happy now it's never gonna happen.

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It's not in the interest of ALPA to fight the RLA.
The above goes double for you.

Alpa isnt you guys problem you

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Old 11-20-2018, 06:03 PM
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Wow. Let me guess, you've been here long enough someone has told you, "if you're so smart go volunteer". You did a little, maybe you wanted something bigger to do to change things maybe you didnt, but at some point you brought this stupidity into a conversation with someone smarter than you and they told you that isn't how things work. So you repeat it on here, probably even quit volunteering.

The RLA isnt going anywhere, youve gotta operate inside of it, and so does the company. Your prospective is so jacked you can't see the truth. You took the job when it paid little (although more than most other regional jobs back in those days). Thats the only reason regionals are around. If management talked the pilots into the scope relief, and no one showed up to fly the jets/tprops that would be the end of this nonsense. But you showed up so did everyone here. That isn't the RLA or ALPAs fault.

You took a bet, it didn't pay off. Shucks and you only make 6 figures for your trouble. Better quit and get to doing something else if you can't be happy now it's never gonna happen.


The above goes double for you.

Alpa isnt you guys problem you
Well perhaps it's not the RLA, perhaps it is ALPA that continues to push for a B scale to prop up the senior wide body pay scales at the expense of regional wages. I've been harassed by multiple Delta pilots on the crew bus for getting wage gains because it's hurting their profit sharing checks. Some union camaraderie there. Oh that's right I'm supposed to happily do the same job for half the pay and benefits except unlike previous generations I've had no real career progression for the sacrifice so I push for equal pay and benefits and get called every name in the book..... I bet you hate the 14th and (probably soon to be 28th) amendments to the Constitution as well.
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Old 11-20-2018, 06:54 PM
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This thread must be a 200, it just won't go away.
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles View Post
This thread must be a 200, it just won't go away.
Its like the energizer bunny. Just jeeps on going
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