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01-15-2020, 08:35 AM

#171

KelvinHelmholtz

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Originally Posted by teddy3412

That's part of the dgi language. That will have to be adjusted as well. Delta will take 180 a year.

I was under the impression that 180 was the minimum. That needs to be significantly improved or else the DGI only really is helping 2015-2016 hires.

01-15-2020, 08:38 AM

#172

IAFDOF

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Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz

I was under the impression that 180 was the minimum. That needs to be significantly improved or else the DGI only really is helping 2015-2016 hires.

If it’s 180 *max*, that’s only 13% of Delta new-hires coming from Endeavor. I just saw on Alaska’s facebook page, as a comparison, that they aim to hire 55% or more of their classes from their WO, Horizon.

While the enhancements are much welcome, appreciated, and a solid gesture, 13% is a bit pathetic if that’s all we can move.

01-15-2020, 08:47 AM

#173

KSCessnaDriver

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Originally Posted by IAFDOF

Inaccurate statement.

I’m glad someone said that. Not everyone wants to go to Delta. And not everyone that wants to go to Delta will end up there

01-15-2020, 09:09 AM

#174

Yumyum

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Also depends on how many pilots we can get on property. If the numbers are bad Delta will be forced to adjust the class dates. All a numbers game......

01-15-2020, 09:16 AM

#175

IAFDOF

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

I’m glad someone said that. Not everyone wants to go to Delta. And not everyone that wants to go to Delta will end up there

Unless by “all of us” he meant all of us who are in our early 20’s and wear a hat and a Delta lanyard and talk about airplanes on layovers. Then maybe.

Honestly I’d be shocked if even 50% of pilots on property had Delta as their sole and final career goal.

01-15-2020, 09:43 AM

#176

ninerdriver

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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Pretty sure they have nothing to do with the DGI, since it isn't contractual. I do think having a new MEC has helped open up discussions, though.

The DGI isn't contractual, but the MEC certainly was involved. Even the company said it was a three-way meeting in its communication. Agreed that the change at the MEC probably helped move things along.

01-15-2020, 11:07 AM

#177

OverMachoGrande

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Originally Posted by IAFDOF

Been lurking here for years but rarely post. I passed on the DGI for a JetBlue interview. I know of many doing the same.

And let's not kid ourselves... these concessions were only offered cause attrition is up and Recruiting is working overtime to fill classes... with more airplanes on the way. And Not because Delta suddenly realized how valuable we are. Delta just needs to make sure they can staff 9E by making the DGI a little bit more attractive... even though they HATE doing it.

01-15-2020, 11:59 AM

#178

ninerdriver

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Originally Posted by OverMachoGrande

And let's not kid ourselves... these concessions were only offered cause attrition is up and Recruiting is working overtime to fill classes... with more airplanes on the way. And Not because Delta suddenly realized how valuable we are. Delta just needs to make sure they can staff 9E by making the DGI a little bit more attractive... even though they HATE doing it.

It's hard to argue against that. 9E had a new Facebook ad touting the improved DGI online within an hour of the news release.

01-15-2020, 12:26 PM

#179

IAFDOF

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Originally Posted by ninerdriver

It's hard to argue against that. 9E had a new Facebook ad touting the improved DGI online within an hour of the news release.

Put it this way: I’ve been here over 2 years, still hundreds of numbers from upgrade. Assuming I upgrade in 6 months, I’m still over 2 and a half years from a DGI. If you think this “enhancement” is going to keep me here, or if you’re behind me but you aren’t putting apps out elsewhere because of this minor tweak, you’re b-a-n-a-n-a-s.

Credit where it’s due, it’s a nice improvement! But if you’re passing on a chance to go to Spirit or United or jetBlue NOW for a marginally-improved DGI 3 years from now, I think your priorities are askew.

01-15-2020, 12:45 PM

#180

undedv

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz

I was under the impression that 180 was the minimum. That needs to be significantly improved or else the DGI only really is helping 2015-2016 hires.

The language specifies they’ll offer new-hire positions to 1/3 of all available positions OR 180 positions, whichever is less. In a year like 2020 that they’re expecting 1200+ new hires, 180 is by far the lessor. That number does not include any OTS hires though.

And as far as the poster comparing Alaska taking 55% from horizon, that argument will carry more weight when they’re hiring over a 1000 pilots per year; until then expecting DL to take 600+ 9E pilots per year is unfathomable.