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Zerosilver84 07-02-2022 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by NotMe (Post 3453560)
Most of the pilots who left Endeavor in June made the decision to leave many months ago. We won’t see the full effect of the AA deal for another month or more. Expect record levels of attrition in the August/September time frame. By then it will be too late for the company to turn things around…

Yup. July is when we will definitely feel the effects of the AA deals.

overqualified52 07-02-2022 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by DeferralsRUs (Post 3452797)
Hate to break it to you gramps but the world has changed since 98'. Like most FOs were born for starters. In this industry anything can change. Look at a lot of places we once overnighted now operated by mainline. To say we will never shutdown is a guarantee no one can make

I have never been called gramps before 😂😂. But you are correct, there is no guarantee. However they need us more than you think . We are actually covering some flying for Skypest and Republic and mainline can’t even handle what they got . We cover thousands of flights . How do you figure on them shutting us down ?Unless the Board of directors wants to just sell Delta off and split it in half (which I highly doubt) .

DeferralsRUs 07-02-2022 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3453825)
I have never been called gramps before 😂😂. But you are correct, there is no guarantee. However they need us more than you think . We are actually covering some flying for Skypest and Republic and mainline can’t even handle what they got . We cover thousands of flights . How do you figure on them shutting us down ?Unless the Board of directors wants to just sell Delta off and split it in half (which I highly doubt) .

200s say so long. They sacrifice frequency to some markets in exchange for bigger planes. Some 900s become flown by mainline pilots

LAXtoDEN 07-02-2022 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3453825)
However they need us more than you think . We are actually covering some flying for Skypest and Republic and mainline can’t even handle what they got . We cover thousands of flights . How do you figure on them shutting us down ?Unless the Board of directors wants to just sell Delta off and split it in half (which I highly doubt) .

Your own CEO stated Endeavor intentionally takes on less flying than they can handle, then covers flying for another carrier if they can’t handle a few flights.

That’s like you running 2 laps in a Relay Race while everyone else runs 5 laps then bragging about “covering” for an extra lap. LOL

Sounds like you guys tried to compete with the big boys these past few months by running 5 laps. Sounds like it didn’t go well…. Raises a lot of questions whether you can actually be an efficient airline if you ask me.

Delta doesn’t need you, they NEED more A220’s to replace the 900 routes so you guys can replace your 200 routes with the 900.

overqualified52 07-02-2022 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3453831)
Your own CEO stated Endeavor intentionally takes on less flying than they can handle, then covers flying for another carrier if they can’t handle a few flights.

That’s like you running 2 laps in a Relay Race while everyone else runs 5 laps then bragging about “covering” for an extra lap.

Sounds like you guys tried to compete with the big boys these past few months by running 5 laps. Sounds like it didn’t go well…. Raises a lot of questions whether you can actually be an efficient airline if you ask me.

Delta doesn’t need you, they NEED more A220’s to replace the 900 routes so you guys can replace your 200 routes with the 900.

We shall see . I don’t know who is gonna fly all these A220’s and they aren’t gonna fly hundreds or thousands of flights with 50 to 60 people on board . The 220 took over the long routes the 900 did but we do hundreds and thousands of flights weekly that are less than 500 miles with 50 to 60 people on board . Even if they payed us 30 to 50 dollars more an hour they are still going to make money on those routes with the RJ 7/9’s . They don’t want to cancel and combine too many flight segments from cities because then you alienate your bread and butter customers to other airlines . You don’t want to lose revenue or take away too many flight options for customers. But we shall see soon I guess .

DeferralsRUs 07-03-2022 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3453859)
We shall see . I don’t know who is gonna fly all these A220’s and they aren’t gonna fly hundreds or thousands of flights with 50 to 60 people on board . The 220 took over the long routes the 900 did but we do hundreds and thousands of flights weekly that are less than 500 miles with 50 to 60 people on board . Even if they payed us 30 to 50 dollars more an hour they are still going to make money on those routes with the RJ 7/9’s . They don’t want to cancel and combine too many flight segments from cities because then you alienate your bread and butter customers to other airlines . You don’t want to lose revenue or take away too many flight options for customers. But we shall see soon I guess .

That's a prepandemic mindset. The business travelers aren't there. Look at load factor. The industry is running high load factors. The philosophy seems to be quantity over quality. The day will come soon when it'll make more sense to bring planes in house and not pay high rates to regional pilots and run 2 airlines

TransWorld 07-03-2022 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by DeferralsRUs (Post 3454370)
The day will come soon when it'll make more sense to bring planes in house and not pay high rates to regional pilots and run 2 airlines

This is what I said last fall and I got stones hurled at me. More and more are coming around. Most 76 seat flying will be done by the majors. Those in the current regional model will be just a small portion.

theUpsideDown 07-03-2022 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3454465)
This is what I said last fall and I got stones hurled at me. More and more are coming around. Most 76 seat flying will be done by the majors. Those in the current regional model will be just a small portion.

Only if the business class comes back, otherwise itll just be big jets going back and forth.

PadraicPearse 07-04-2022 05:24 AM

Stop trying to run an airline. It's not your job. You fly planes. Log your hours and be ready for your next job.
It will come faster than you think.

TransWorld 07-04-2022 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3454480)
Only if the business class comes back, otherwise itll just be big jets going back and forth.

The 76 seaters would fly to the same places with the same seat configuration, with the same passengers. Your statement does not follow.


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