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edv2021 07-06-2022 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by legend (Post 3455654)
Just saying there are those who chose to do opposite of what you think they should do! I agree that leaving during the biggest hiring spree in Aviation history is a good gamble. But not everyone wants to make that leap!

Not really a gamble when the flow deal includes flowback that would put everyone at edv except the top 10% out of work in the event of a furlough at DL

Mesabah 07-06-2022 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by edv2021 (Post 3455756)
Not really a gamble when the flow deal includes flowback that would put everyone at edv except the top 10% out of work in the event of a furlough at DL

You definitely can't stay at Endeavor, I'm baffled at some of the people who passed on the flow. The protected status is not safe if Delta needs to shuffle the regionals.

Zerosilver84 07-06-2022 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3455890)
You definitely can't stay at Endeavor, I'm baffled at some of the people who passed on the flow. The protected status is not safe if Delta needs to shuffle the regionals.

I've flown with a few CA recently that are early 50s and over 15 years here and they are staying put. I couldn't understand why.

flyingfiddler 07-06-2022 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3455285)
A staple is a merger where the RJ's would be added to the mainline fleet. Since the next Delta AE will probably once again have over 1000 unfilled slots, you can imagine the staffing problem created by an entire pilot group(CRJ) bidding off a single fleet.

You know there is something called a fence. Most mergers have one that prevents one pilot group from bidding for the other's equipment/bases for some specified ammout of time...

Mesabah 07-06-2022 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by flyingfiddler (Post 3456037)
You know there is something called a fence. Most mergers have one that prevents one pilot group from bidding for the other's equipment/bases for some specified ammout of time...

Fences wouldn't work here, you are thinking about an imposed equipment lock by management. You can't fence off a slot no one is bidding for, there are over a thousand unbid mainline slots.

overqualified52 07-06-2022 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3455890)
You definitely can't stay at Endeavor, I'm baffled at some of the people who passed on the flow. The protected status is not safe if Delta needs to shuffle the regionals.

How would Delta “shuffle” regionals ?

Flogger 07-06-2022 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3456054)
How would Delta “shuffle” regionals ?

Done it before. It's called sold to Skypest.

overqualified52 07-07-2022 03:29 AM


Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 3456056)
Done it before. It's called sold to Skypest.

This is a totally different time . It would be an operational disaster for Delta to do that . I understand you can Never say Never , but just don’t see it happening. I’m not sure why they are swapping flying from DTW to ATL between Endeavor and Skywest though . Any thoughts on why they are doing that ?

theUpsideDown 07-07-2022 05:26 AM

Couple pages and no one is bringing up McCaskill Bond act and you can't staple as a result.

The shuffling of flying, or what we used to call the DCI shuffle, is a long standing practice ensuring theres no legal definition of struck work you can point to during a strike. Comairs routes were approved, and it was crippling.

Hows the fan faction going guys? You get figured out how Delta's going to save EDV yet?

legend 07-07-2022 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3456173)
Couple pages and no one is bringing up McCaskill Bond act and you can't staple as a result.

The shuffling of flying, or what we used to call the DCI shuffle, is a long standing practice ensuring theres no legal definition of struck work you can point to during a strike. Comairs routes were approved, and it was crippling.

Hows the fan faction going guys? You get figured out how Delta's going to save EDV yet?

if a agreement is made by all there parties then the McCaskill would not apply.. That was done to protect pilots from a forced staple to the bottom of a list like what happened to TWA pilots. This would not be a forced staple, nor a Merger(would imply an integration of the DAL seniority list) Not sure what the term would be but if its agreed by those parties then it’s done..


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